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Shanti777 wrote:And so - accept (ie don't deny) what is and quickly move on to change it if you don't want it - yes. Surrender to what is including suffering and pain - never .
Shanti777 wrote:Interestingly, no one has commented yet on the power of our imagination to CHANGE what we want to change in our life....
"Do not create and engage in a mind movie about your (better) future, instead focus on the NOW".
Quantum physics tells us that we CAN create with our imagination and manifest any changes we want in our life
The future you want is ALREADY here, amongst the infinite number (yes!) of your potential futures
Yes, you need to be PRESENT in this process with an expanded focus and totally immersed in your new desired reality - your MIND MOVIE - in the NOW. Do NOT dwell on or immerse yourself in your suffering as you will simply create more of it.
Accepting what is, is in my view a purely intellectual process - it is what it is in THIS point in time. This millisecond of your conscious existence. It is your point of power and choice from which you can CHANGE what is to something else.
By the way, I don't subscribe to the concept of surrender to pain and suffering (even for one moment) as it implies to me that (i) I have no free will or control over my life experiences, (ii) I must endure suffering as this is the only way to grow, and (iii) I agree that it is OK to suffer - none of which is true in my concept of conscious living and is a disempowering rather than empowering state of being.
And so - accept (ie don't deny) what is and quickly move on to change it if you don't want it - yes. Surrender to what is including suffering and pain - never .
DavidB wrote:You seem to have misunderstood what surrender means. Surrender is the same as acceptance, but if you don't like using the word surrender, then that's ok, don't use it.
Enlightened2B wrote:I'd suggest that Eckhart's teachings and LoA teachings go hand in hand. You can't change your reality though until you accept 'what is'. Eckhart's teachings are far deeper with his suggestions of the Eternal Now.
Enlightened2B wrote:You've posted about your own anxiety in the past. How did you get through it without meditation?
Shanti777 wrote:In fact, to say that comes across as arrogant. We can always debate the point without getting personal. The moment you say "you misunderstood this", the conversation becomes personal and shifts the focus from the topic to the person, which is counterproductive in the discussion. It also implies that your interpretation of reality / issue is the ultimate truth and the only one there is, which is never the case.
DavidB wrote:Realization is probably the simplest thing you could ever do, which is why most people over look it, they over complicate it, over think it.
It is simply this, stop thinking.
When that little voice in the head stops yammering, stops incessantly commenting on absolutely everything, we realize that we are still completely conscious.
Enlightened2B wrote:Does it have to be so black and white Jack? Here's what I mean.
I would agree (and all of us would as well I would think) that our ultimate purpose here as humans is realizing on some level who we are beyond thought and ultimately it seems that there is only Oneness (in my experience when I'm not caught up in thought) although I don't have the direct experiential knowing of that yet. That, of course, can take many lifetimes for many of us to finally realize on an enlightened level perhaps and likely secluded meditation is the only way to completely absolve desire. Meaning....
If you're interacting in the western world in relationships of any kind, especially romantic, even if desire does not run the relationship anymore, can you completely absolve yourself of desire and still be in a romantic relationship? Meaning.... Is it possible....to have any kind of romantic relationship without even the slightest bit of desire? From my own personal experience? I would say No and I would also think that every person on this board who is either married or partnered up would agree that there is always some level....again some level of desire still for their partner/spouse no matter how enlightened they are, especially if there is physical intimacy involved. So, transcending desire completely would ultimately mean giving up romantic relationships (which is not an important aspect of my own life right now) because I just don't think monogamy would work without any kind of desire.
So, can we, as humans completely transcend desire? I've resonated with a lot of your posts Jack as you well know. But, I don't fully resonate with this bit here or maybe I do and am just really confused as Fore has pointed out to me .
Yet, I do resonate with what you say about desires causing suffering and fear. But, how do you fully transcend that living in the western world and engaging in relationships? Meaning, desire will always rear its head at some point. You don't always have to give in to it. What about masturbation? That's a desire as well.
Instead, I'm looking into therapy for myself. I need it. I have a lot of issues that are causing me shitloads of anxiety and fear and in combination with mindfulness meditation and mindfulness in life, I feel can help me come to terms with my anxieties and fears. But is desire the culprit for all fear and anxiety?
Like I said to Fore in the other thread pertaining to this topic, even if one chooses to live a life like a Monk and abstain from any kind of desire provoking activities, there is nothing at wrong with that and I would have to agree that it would likely cease all suffering and maybe there is something to it. But, is it the only way? I don't know.
EnterZenFromThere wrote:Hi David,
I've been enjoying reading your posts and am curious on your perspective of self realisation. What, specifically, would you say self realisation is?
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