smiileyjen101 wrote:Understanding energies in motion is probably no more, no less of valuethan understanding 'pain bodies' 'presence' 'now' or other frequencies of energy in motion.
I don't know that anyone claims LOA having anything to do with awakening, any more than knowing that making an enemy, obstacle, means to an end, does.
If that's really the case than I have nothing to say. The objection here is the implication that the LOA belief system has anything to do with awakening.
They are 'explanations' of human experiences, as far as I can tell. I've yet to have anyone adequately explain 'awakening' to me in the sense that some use it as if it's an exclusive state - all things are fluid and in motion, so I guess that's kind of a 'given' for me that no thing accurately describes or leads to awakening outside of awakening itself.
I define awakening very simply and without resorting to spiritual terminology. Fear is the context in which the human mind develops. Eliminate the fear and insanity goes away.
It's interesting to me in the sense that the passion (energy) taken to 'fight' the notions of what is being said about the mirror / boomerang effect of drawing energies to yourself by your perceptions resonating at that level of frequency is kinda ... forgive me ... funny in that it kind of proves its own point.
This is exactly right. Since you already believe in mirroring energies and LOA, this is what you see. When there is belief we can only see through the filter of belief. And so everything appears as confirmation.
Jen, this is not rational point--it's circular. I don't believe in karma and someone who believes in karma will say that the reason I don't believe in karma is because it is my karma not believe in it. Which to them proves that karma is truth.
There are probably as many who make enemy, obstacle, means to an end of Tolle's messages and his concept of 'ego'.
Yes, there are. The words "make enemy, obstacle" are already judgmental. We can take the judgment out of this, and say simply that all beliefs are suffused by the ego.
I guess I'm happy with loa in the sense that (for me) it's just another flow of energy, and awareness of that.
That's fine. If people want to believe, that's what they will do. But it has nothing to do with awakening.
In the other thread - snowy's example of loa in action - for me it's more evident in energy flows of judging, and the return of then being judged in the same manner, learning by experience the folly of passionately denouncing or making enemy, obstacle, means to an end of at thing... so in this sense I can see a comparison with some of Tolle's teachings, no two are going to express it in the same way/words because they are standing at different points of viewing it.
Yes, and if you're a passionate believer in karma, you will see the consistency in ET's teachings with karma; and if you're a passionate believer in positive thinking, then you will see that that's what ET's talking about, and if you are a believer in mirroring energies then that's what you will see in Tolle's teaching.
But these are all beliefs--Tolle is not talking about beliefs.
It is true (for me) that there is a particularly strength of vibrating frequency that is 'enacted' and absolutely does bring you to a different place of understanding, through experience unfolding - if you are willing to take that ride. it is also true that you will limit your experiences by your beliefs
Yes, exactly so. You limit your experiences by your beliefs. Belief in the LOA is no exception. Replacing one set of beliefs with more beautiful beliefs is exactly what human beings have been doing for 10000 years and it is very much a part of the insanity of the human condition, and it is the very thing which ET tries to get us to go beyond.
But still, I'm not debating against the LOA--if people want to do that, it's fine. But to say that the LOA has anything to do with awakening is highly misleading.