smiileyjen101 wrote:If you know very little about it how can you know it's a belief system?
It requires knowing.
And in my experience, awakening does not require believing.
How can you know it's not just an awakening experience for some?
Who can know what triggers awakening in some people? I can't be sure that standing on your head isn't an awakening experience for some. But I feel very reasonable in saying that you don't have to stand on your head to awaken. In the same way, I feel very reasonable in saying that you don't have to believe in the loa to awaken.
That's not a terrible thing.
It's a bit dangerous in that it can be misleading.
Is misleading a terrible thing? Is dangerous a terrible thing?
Do you understand 'terrible' is an arising flow of energy interpreted in judgement of a thing that causes one to feel terror physically and psychologically through interpretation of stimuli, and that terror is an extreme response of fear, and fear is a response of judgement of a thing.
- that in itself is merely a naturally occurring consequence of the judging something outside of oneself without all of the information of the first person perspective.
In a sense, what you emit you attract as a natural consequence (hmm....
Jen, that's quite a bunch of spiritual somersaults. Let's talk real. I don't think misleading is a terrible thing because I attracted terrible or because I don't know the spiritual depth of terrible arising energies (actually I happily don't know). I think misleading is a terrible thing because it's a terrible thing.
But then there are beliefs systems which are much more misleading-
Maybe even the belief that beliefs are a 'bad' thing.
Well, I haven't said that. Not yet anyway. Though a case can be made for that. Hitler's belief that certain kinds of people must be exterminated was a bad belief. There's no shortage of historical examples. It doesn't take a lot of living to experience that beliefs in our personal lives can be misleading or limiting. On the other hand, beliefs do sometimes bring focus. And so far as I can tell, we can't really get away from beliefs. So they are what they are. We can notice. It's intelligent to understand what motivates beliefs. Often it's fear. Sometimes curiosity. It's intelligent to understand that the motivations are not always easily discerned.
But here, all I said was that belief systems can be misleading and awakeneing does not require believing or unbelieving.
If the starving five year old in Darfur knew that you were spending your energy on resisting either the loa or your emotional reaction to the fact that they are still starving...
I'm not resisting the emotional reaction. I experienced it and expressed it.
I'm not resisting a belief in loa. Is a belief in loa mandatory? Does it keep pushing at you until it you let it in, hehe? Are you resisting the understanding a belief in loa is limiting? Why restrict yourself to those ideas? Would you believe in the loa if someone had not told you about the loa?
Is it awakened consciousness to blame 'spiritual beliefs' or unmanifested energies, or our beliefs or not in things based on our perceptions of validity for our ACTUAL choices in life?