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IanB wrote:Where I'm at at the moment is that, until you get to the stage of dropping all that, it's better to have beliefs that serve you than ones that don't. Better (is judgemental and subjective, so I guess read "more likely to get me closer to the truth of who I am") to believe that I am a spark of Divine Consciousness/Source/etc and that we are all connected, than to believe I'm just this flesh and blood, just my thoughts, separate, alone, unworthy etc etc.
Webwanderer wrote:My sense is that one cannot live without beliefs
Some believe they can, and often experience life as if they don't have them, but it's far more likely that their beliefs are simply pushed into an area of non-recognition where they continue to function in their perspective-creating function.
randomguy wrote:Why not forget about beliefs and be open to notice that you are not bound to any phenomenon associated with an experience of thought or belief? Isn't this mystery much deeper than the experience of managing thoughts and beliefs which seems to me just another experience that comes and goes and is noticed by a non-phenomenal source, an utterly imperceivable mystery?
Forget about them if you want. To me, this is just another belief. Who says it's utterly imperceivable?
You can't know what another can or can't perceive. No one can, except through his or her own experience, and what is not yet experienced is not necessarily impossible.
Everyone lives through beliefs, conscious or unconscious. Recognizing that reality gives a perspective on arising thought that reveals it for what it is - a manifestation of conditioning and beliefs.
Thoughts are not random...
A belief is just an emotionally connected repetitive thought. Such beliefs can be restructured. The alternative is to live with/through one's current programming, borne of the unexamined happenstance of life, or one may explore for a new consciously chosen perspective based on a clearer understanding of being. Source material for consideration toward a greater understanding is abundant in today's world. We each get to choose what's meaningful and integrate it into a working life view - until some greater insight supersedes it.
As to the mystery, there's little concern over spoiling the fun. The greater perspectives perceived through evolving belief structures are merely temporary platforms to stand upon and rest while we enjoy a little greater view on the infinite expanse of being. There's always more to understand and experience in the infinitude of Source. My sense is that we are, in this human expression, Source's own creative movement, experimenting, exploring, experiencing.
Seems to me that "random" is just another conceptual construct that simplifies the human perception of reality, and it also seems to me that all conceptual constructs are not accurate and not valuable when interest is set on seeing what is true.
randomguy wrote:an utterly imperceivable mystery..... what perceives cannot seem to be perceived.
I write these things as in invitation for one to see for one's self
I don't wish to assert what is true for another. Don't get the wrong idea that I actually believe what I'm writing..... They are not true to me, just like every other thought perceived.
Might I ask what is true for you?
"Thinking positive" can be tiring, and to some people it can mean "suppressing" the negative stuff that happens. And it ends up being more draining.
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