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Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:05 pm
by eckhartlover
Hi everyone :D ,

I have been reading the "power of now" and the "new earth", i have a question...
When we don't react to forms and be aware of the now itself then what happens to our needed manifestations like a good job or a car or money...
What happens to those things..as we have been reacting to forms and trying to modify and improve it...But when we don't react will the manifestations occur naturally??

We can simply ask as what happens to law of attraction when we don't respond to form and be aware of the now...As the law of attraction states what we get is what we think about...so what happens for the manifestation...

I have some experience regarding this...i will discuss it once we have an answer...

Peace

Eckhartlover

Re: Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:37 pm
by Sighclone
Welcome to the forum, eckhartlover. I think the answer varies from person to person. "needed manifestations" may change. Eckhart repreatedly says not to drop your life and sit on the bench. He encourages "striving." From PON, p. 86: "There is nothing wrong with striving to improve your life situation. You can improve your life situation, but you cannot improve your life....there is nothing wrong with setting goals and striving to achieve things...Gratitude for the present moment and the fullness of life now is true prosperity. It cannot come in the future. Then, in time, that prosperity manifests for you in different ways."

I guess my answer is "maybe" to your question "will the manifestations occur naturally?" Who knows what those manifestations are and how congruent with Source they are?

And "non-reaction" may be artificial. If a situation requires a spontaneous response, "non-reaction" would not be natural.

Namaste, Andy

Re: Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:29 pm
by eckhartlover
HI,

After i posted this question i got automatically clarified through a series of events...lets not discuss that as its mere form...
The answer which i perceived is..

When you are in the NOW and fully aware of the now and things will happen automatically as the higher intelligence comes to play when you are aware of the now...As no or less resistance is there...we should automatically get what we want....as all the "Now"' s correspond to the future....may be said in another way when there is no time involved it is easy to create or manifest...

Yes things have started manifesting sooner than expected with the mind.....so be present and get the "present"
Namaste

Eckhartlover

Re: Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:13 pm
by heidi
Being present is being in a state of allowing, and that's where conscious creation takes place. :)

Re: Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:46 pm
by B_Scott
heidi wrote:Being present is being in a state of allowing, and that's where conscious creation takes place. :)


So true!

I believe that when you're aligned with a higher energy and living in the present moment, the world of "form" and material necessities become an automatic reality. And I believe that to be the key, to allow and to allow it to be automatic. It's when we try to manipulate and control what manifests in our lives that we unknowingly set up resistance towards it, and ultimately its actual manifestation. Some people say to me "How come I can attract a penny on the ground but not a million dollars?" What they fail to realize or believe is that if one million dollars had the same meaning and significance to them as just a penny, they would be able to attract that just the same.

Re: Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:11 pm
by vert
When we don't react to forms and be aware of the now itself then what happens to our needed manifestations like a good job or a car or money...
What happens to those things..as we have been reacting to forms and trying to modify and improve it...But when we don't react will the manifestations occur naturally??


Does anyone have any more thoughts on this? This is a worthwhile subject and I've been pondering about it also.

Re: Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:24 am
by MVParnell
[quote="eckhartlover"]Hi everyone :D ,
But when we don't react will the manifestations occur naturally??

Or they won't 8) ...either way one is unattached to outcome (which is future ) What is the case NOW? and say yes to that.

Re: Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:29 pm
by ledfly
I didnt visualize anything and god gave me the perfect job that fit's me perfectly. God tailor, atleast in my case, your life i believe also either you believe in him or not. All this visualization is pointless i think, i know if i bougth a lottery ticket i could win a million because god can do that but it just isnt in my card's, and it would be impossible for everyone anyway, have to take into consideration we need many ppl doing different stuff and they way society is built is a limiting factor, and ofcourse, you is a limiting factor aswell, it is not everyone who have the skillset to become really good at something. I rather ask god, but god will always do it he's way in the end, but obviously he will listen to what you have to say and if your lucky or have earned it in some way your wish may be granted, and sometimes you just dont know what it is that you want until you get it, like the work i got from god it never even crossed my mind and i never knew what i wanted to do but i do now and it is closely bound to what i really like doing, riding bicycle. But i think generally god listen to you but he will do it like he does. U have no power to make things happen under any circumstances.. Because it is not your visualizing power but God listening to you and then doing something. Usually when i ask i get a reply in some way, but God know's best and he will do it he's way. Somtimes u dont even have to ask and God just gives it to you and it is what you need, so we are taken care of, in God's way.

Re: Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:26 pm
by GermanEnlightenment
My experience is that as soon as a certain desire arises in me, my life-stream starts to orchestrate people, events and opportunities for me to get what I want. You can´t unwant something that you want from the depth of your heart, so our job is to just let go and let life - which we are not seperate from - do its thing. The reason why most people don´t get what they want is because they don´t believe they can manifest their desires due to their self-limiting beliefs, lack of self-love or not knowing their true nature as a creator.
At a certain point in my journey, it was a great relief for me to know that nobody forced me to struggle my way through life or that I had to somehow accelerate the process of getting to a certain desire. No, most important was the inner alignment with what I wanted and as soon as an opportunity presented itself, I also had to take practical steps in the "real" world to go into the direction of my desires.
However, I feel like in some spiritual communities there is a misunderstanding of "align with what you desire" where people do the inner work but then are too scared to really take practical steps out of fear of failure, of making the wrong decision etc. And so they become discouraged but think that more inner focus will at some point give them what they want.
And then there is the more "mainstream"-movement where life coaches or self-help gurus tell you to go after what you want with single-minded focus in the external world WITHOUT doing the inner alignment-work, meaning working through unconscious beliefs, meditating, reducing mind-momentum. By doing that you will probably manifest what you want sooner or later but it comes with a lot of struggle, hard work and force. Of course, this only means you will attract more struggle, hard work and force into your life.
So I think you need both the inner and the outer work to become successful in manifesting, although the former has to come first and be your basis for the external manifestation of your desire.

Re: Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:39 pm
by Enlightened2B
Nice Post GE. There is a lot of mis understandings of LoA. I know this first hand because I was one of those people who were so against the notion of LoA and manifesting because it sounded like materialistic hocus pocus nonsense. What happens to many of us is a realization of a world not separate from us and we then take it to another extreme of "there is no person", but, this is not entirely true and is only true within a certain context. Of course there is a person, just not in a separate way as we believed for so long, and because of this belief that there is no me, no self, no person, no anything, which becomes even stronger, the more we identify with it, there is often an aire of "Life just happens", but if you really take the time to inquire into your experience, life doesn't JUST happen. We are the creators as we are life itself creating itself. It started opening itself up to me, when I saw how I manifested disease within my body and how I started to heal it.

Yet, this doesn't have to put pressure on ourselves as "doers" either, because the whole premise behind creation is allowance, and releasing of resistance and letting go. It's so important to allow, surrender and let go. If you're not doing that, then you are actually creating more resistance which is in opposition to energy flowing. I'm learning a lot from Abraham Hicks and Bashar. I think if more of us opened ourselves up to some of these more expanded teachings, we'd come to see that they go directly together with acceptance, surrender, and letting go. I can attest that letting go of control has been my biggest "lesson" here in this life and I'm still going through it.

Re: Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:31 pm
by GermanEnlightenment
Enlightened2B wrote:Nice Post GE. There is a lot of mis understandings of LoA. I know this first hand because I was one of those people who were so against the notion of LoA and manifesting because it sounded like materialistic hocus pocus nonsense. What happens to many of us is a realization of a world not separate from us and we then take it to another extreme of "there is no person", but, this is not entirely true and is only true within a certain context. Of course there is a person, just not in a separate way as we believed for so long, and because of this belief that there is no me, no self, no person, no anything, which becomes even stronger, the more we identify with it, there is often an aire of "Life just happens", but if you really take the time to inquire into your experience, life doesn't JUST happen. We are the creators as we are life itself creating itself. It started opening itself up to me, when I saw how I manifested disease within my body and how I started to heal it.

Yet, this doesn't have to put pressure on ourselves as "doers" either, because the whole premise behind creation is allowance, and releasing of resistance and letting go. It's so important to allow, surrender and let go. If you're not doing that, then you are actually creating more resistance which is in opposition to energy flowing. I'm learning a lot from Abraham Hicks and Bashar. I think if more of us opened ourselves up to some of these more expanded teachings, we'd come to see that they go directly together with acceptance, surrender, and letting go. I can attest that letting go of control has been my biggest "lesson" here in this life and I'm still going through it.


Indeed, I agree 100 per cent. :) Like everywhere in life, the truth is found in the grey areas, neither in the black nor the white. It´s a spiritual paradox to realize that we are both the individual and life itself. This means we have to honour both "selfs" to have a fulfilling experience here. Sometimes it´s the right thing to act in the physical world, sometimes it is better to just be and feel the depth in our being. Figuring that balance out, is going to be a life-long practice, I believe. But it´s not an issue if we don´t make it into one.

I´m at a point now where I just marvel at the complexity of our human experience here. I mean really think about it. So many different people with so many different thoughts and emotions, hopes and dreams, strengths and weaknesses etc. and everyone of us has a completely unique experience of life! Wow! Sounds like a no-brainer, right? But the more I get to know myself the more I understand how complex and depthful life must be for every person on this planet. And yet, life comes without a manual and in the end it isn´t really that complicated if you boil it down to the basics. We make it into a struggle or endurance test in our minds but we all have that emotional guidance system in us that wants to take us back on track and to follow our joy again.

I see nothing wrong in desiring "materalistic" things like a car, a house, clothes etc. Who cares if it´s spiritual to want these things? :) All I know is that sometimes I desire certain things and if I really want them I can have them in my reality which feels good to me. That is all. There is no need to make desire into an enemy. We constantly desire something, that´s how life knows itself through us! Our experience is absolutely unique. Nobody could live your life like you do!
Of course, what we desire varies greatly from person to person and what might be a big wish for someone might be something you don´t care about in the slightest. I f.e. wouldn´t care about having an expensive car, it would do nothing to me, so life will not manifest it into my reality. But the things that we really want, where we feel it deep down in our hearts that it´s something we really like to have, we can get it as long as we are not blocking its manifestation by believing it could never happen or that we don´t deserve it or other limiting thoughts.

On the other hand, what is required for effortless manifestation is that you come to a place where you feel whole in yourself. That means you have realized your true nature and you understand that not any-thing or any-one can fulfill you or cover up the deep emotional wounds that you have. You accept yourself totally with all your faults, the things you did in your past, childhood-traumas etc., simply everything. If you can do that you realize that no-one or no-thing can change that core of who you are and make up for something that you lack inside you. Now you can create from this abundant place. Why? Because you are here on this planet to give rise to certain desires that you have. That´s all. Not because you want to fill any lack but simply to enjoy yourself and make this a fun experience for you. The ego that´s so rooted in struggle doesn´t want to hear that but the more you take actions in line with your well-being the more you will get your mind (ego) on your team, so that it can work in alignment with your "higher" self. I realized that the ego is just like a frightened child but if you meet it with kindness and curiosity it will become comfortable and playful with you and excited to explore new realities.

Re: Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:29 am
by Enlightened2B
Nicely said GE. I like your perspective.

Self love is a huge stepping stone to acceptance, and alignment.

You can't fight those survival mechanism thoughts from the human mind as the human mind has been trained do its thing since we were children. You have to accept them and then you can choose to re-train the mind, by constantly learning to think different thoughts. Thoughts that are thought over and over and over again become beliefs. It's just a matter of seeing thoughts and changing our thought patterns and choosing not to get sucked in to those negative incessant thinking patterns. That's how beliefs change.

Re: Regarding material manifestation

PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:15 am
by Sighclone
It's mostly about attachment. Buddha had many material things, then none, and ascetic denial. He was attached to both conditions. Then he sat down and woke up -- then he took the middle path. Did you desire your last meal?? "Shame on you, that was materialistic!" says the nondual fanatic. Did you desire to call your friend on the phone? Are all desires egoic? Pick something material in your life -- how much suffering would there be if it went away?

The concept of "lila in maya" is overlooked by many - that's "play in the world of form." Perhaps the sorts of things in life we enjoy might change - but heck, that happens to everybody. Tolle's fundamental message is that there is "something else going on that is not recognized by most of society, and you can find it." He also suggests that the kinds of activities that bring joy and enthusiasm may be different as you wake up. You still get to enjoy stuff!!

Andy