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autumnsphere wrote:Gain control of egoic thoughts?
Webwanderer wrote:Well yes. Emotions combine with thoughts to reinforce the thoughts that stimulated the emotions. It's a vicious circle that so many experiencing depression, all manor of habitual thinking, can attest to.
autumnsphere wrote:But this shift in beliefs is not magic, it's simple learning. And yes, of course your reality will seem better if it seems better. How do you know you're not fitting experiences to your beliefs? How do you know this is a law and not just a positive perspective?
There's a much simpler way to deal with this and it's not a system of beliefs - releasing.
The emotional thought loop cannot be controlled. Control = resistance and whatever you resist persists.
Maybe this too is simply a belief, and that the reason we cannot control it is because we believe we can't.
Webwanderer wrote: There is enough experiential history in it that proof is not hard to find. But maybe it's just a created truism that persist because of our continued belief in it. That emotional thought loop may have considerable momentum but consistently nudging it from a position of power can eventually turn its course.
Webwanderer wrote:It would seem in part, that Source, expressing through the beingness of each individualized consciousness, uses the thought creating potential of that individualized beingness to explore the possibilities of physical experience.
Webwanderer wrote:autumnsphere wrote:Gain control of egoic thoughts?
Well yes. Emotions combine with thoughts to reinforce the thoughts that stimulated the emotions. It's a vicious circle that so many experiencing depression, all manor of habitual thinking, can attest to. What I like about LOA is that it offers a way out of such a negative feeling cycle and into a more enjoyable one. Make no mistake, it's still a thought construct, but it may well be amenable to better quality of experience.
The mind seems to thrive on beliefs. So how does one create more pleasant beliefs that can have positive effects on one's experience? In LOA, as well as simple common sense, a belief is just a thought repeated so often it's taken as truth. And because consciousness by nature is creative, life responds in kind to what we believe to be true, even if only through being filtered by the belief. I've not been a big fan of affirmations as a whole, but it seems when applied within an appropriate feeling structure, they can over time form the basis for more dominate beliefs.
Like any good cook knows however, there is a recipe that brings a desired result, while deviating from it may not. If it says bake for 1hr @450 and you bake for 15min @300 it's certain that your efforts will fail. But it's not the fault of the recipe if it's not followed.
According to LOA, to effectively form new belief structures that bring more positive experience to one's life, one must begin from a feel good position. It would seem the ideal would be resting in the clarity of presence while recognizing the Source essence of our natural state. Okay, for some that may be a lot. But the closer one can get to that the more powerful one's thoughts are likely to be in forming new creative beliefs. Remember, beliefs are creative regardless of their nature, and emotions are what focuses and powers them bringing them into experience. This seems to be the effective essence of the Great Freedom teachings. "Short moments, repeated often, become continuous." Because these moments align us with source, and feel good emotions abound in these moments, they create beliefs and experiences that support ever greater clarity.
LOA adds the dimension of desire. While in this state of feel good clarity, one may also infuse intentional thoughts with this feel good energy and bring about their manifestation in our experience. As the process is repeated over and over it eventually becomes the dominate paradigm over previously existing belief structures. LOA says that if done 'religiously' a shift in beliefs can be accomplished in less than 30 days - but why count? It's important to remember that it is one's alignment with Source, with Essence, that truly powers this creative shift.
Source is in the process of creating in the physical expression. As we are Source expressed, it is through us that Source is creating the physical realm. Our limited free will allows us to desire whatever we wish, but like any construction process it may be a little messy until it's all cleaned up. Again, according to LOA, our desires are useful to the Creative flow - whatever they are. The point from the Greater Perspective isn't whether one gets this or that, but rather to add experiential structure to this unique world of consciousness. In some ways we are the tip of the spear - Source, individualized, forming ever new realms to explore.
Okay, I know this may seem a bit out there. I confess it's an understanding in progress. It may seem a stretch for the non-dualist within us, but I don't see a fatal conflict. It takes an expanded perspective to make it work, but after all, isn't that what we're here for?
Apologies for the meandering. I really didn't know where I was headed when I started this post. Like so much here on this forum, the writing of our insights help bring greater clarity to them - or maybe just expose them.
autumnsphere wrote:sarcasm tag?
Webwanderer wrote:Remember however, that reality is more a matter of consciousness rather than substance. Substance is the appearance of consciousness patterns. If we are talking about attracting a more pleasant experience of living, conditioning our thoughts to unconsciously repeat patterns of positive perceptions will automatically bring more positive experience simply because there are many ways of perceiving any given event.
Webwanderer wrote:attracting a more pleasant experience of living
Webwanderer wrote:conditioning our thoughts to unconsciously repeat patterns of positive perceptions will automatically bring more positive experience simply because there are many ways of perceiving any given event.
conditioning our thoughts to unconsciously repeat patterns of positive perceptions will automatically bring more positive experience simply because there are many ways of perceiving any given event.
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