karmarider wrote:smiileyjen101 wrote:...and outside of Maya?
When you experience oneness with the universe and dancing in energies?
Then you don't need a how-to manual.
I've been sitting with this for a few days now and now 'touche' is still relevant, but maybe not enough.
"Needing' a how-to manual is only relevant until you do learn to put the knowledge gained into experience, test it, modify it if needs be, and sometimes it's worthwhile re-reading them, as you re-experience situations where the information is relevant, but maybe on another layer.
I'm absolutely grateful for the 'how-to' manuals I've come across since the passing of my Granny who held and shared the ancient wisdoms. I do notice similarities at the core of the wisdom shared, and am interested (on a professional communicator level) at the different treatments given to sharing the information - be that from sharing personal experiences, passing it on with others' wisdoms, or straight from the cuff.
I have to say, in my varied experiences, the knowledge passed on about these 'laws' (and please understand I use that term loosely for want of a better one), I've noticed quite simply do play out, whether you are aware of them, whether you acknowledge them, or not. Unlike human 'laws' these ones are not skewed or biased, they are indeed universal - this takes them out of the realm of morality, culture... and dare I say you don't even need to 'believe' them.
Understanding them however can save you a lot of unnecessary 'suffering' and can also be employed to assist you to dance in the energies.
Yes if you're already enlightened suffering would likely be null and void anyway.
Most of us are not that advanced, and imho even those that are would 'attract' the same 'results' if they were out of kilter with these... whatever you like to call them.
Just thought I'd add that as I've been 'experiencing' multiple moments of real pain for the last 10 days or so (health issues including very angry kidney stones) and have, when I can, still been dancing with these energies thanks to the 'how-to' manuals of Tolle (being 'present'), Millman (recognising the 'energies' at work, employing those likely to assist me most), and many others, including everyone sharing on this forum. I've also been using it as an opportunity to look at the areas that I've been resisting some realities, creating some of the wet puddles on the dance floor (oh!! probably shouldn't use that analogy with kidney probs!! ), the things that are making the dance floor less easy to gracefully glide across without falling on my face.
I'm not beyond saying I still need assistance and reminders from those wiser than me, and I'm very grateful for them in the absence of my wise and healing granny.