Absolutely KB this is a place, a safe and enjoyable place to share perspectives of things, and no - no thing is 'wrong' - did you notice how many times that word came up in your last post and the many ways in which it came up - not judging, just noticing and wondering if you notice it too.
KB said: I could be over here drowning in confusion and even though you see clearly how I'm mistaken, you won't point it out because it's my game and you think I should just play it. Is that what I'm hearing from you?
Me expressing my noticing and my curiosity as to your noticing is my 'reaching out' / 'sharing perspectives', with absolute respect for you, in awareness that I would not, could not choose or answer for you. If it is within your capacity and your willingness to see the different facets of the crystal then you will respond with that awareness and in generosity & gratitude for it (the facet).
That kind of is the point of my curiosity as to what you feel / experience when you are prescribing for 'others'. If there is a 'should be' narrowing of facets, or if there is generosity and gratitude for even unseen to us, but pointed to, facets.
I agree that what resonated - permeated senses - at one time, are likely to rise again (and again and again and again and again) until such time as they are reconciled. And each time the facets will be pointed to differently. The capacity and willingness is still ours to allow.
The knee jerk reaction in the first place held some fear - some false emotions appearing real - some notion of 'truth' that must be defended. That's what the 'bother' is - resistance to a facet.
The notion of spirituality making folks 'give up' is again a personal perspective. Maybe your friend's experience is there just to juxtapose a balancing opposition to your experience within your own perspective. (I have no idea that may
be a facet
I recall a time living in an absolutely idyllic environment, a bury me right here right now six feet deep in the Earth - I'm 'home'
and I am all shades of joy right here right now in every single and all moment/s. I was 22 and I was 'done' - I was in and of heaven on Earth! I had stopped all searching, all journeying, all desiring, all resisting, all growing - for one who had been a gypsy akin to a seagull & that used to be my insignia, I became a dove, a dove who didn't even need to fly.
I had no idea it was just a taster, just an extremely brief sojourn that would allow me to remember the feeling
of peace, when I was in and of the hell on Earth.
'Change' kicked my butt right out of there/that.
I perceive, from my perspective, no thing would have been 'wrong' had I died during that time - during either time really, oh wait a minute (I did in the 'hell' bit that I got kicked into and then realised there is no heaven or hell) hahaha ... hmmm
I merely would have come back to experience that which I had not experienced that was of my soul's desiring. So maybe, maybe not your friend's goal will take a different path to the one she 'expects'. Maybe, maybe not, ours is not to judge the journey of another soul, it would be impossible for us to with any accuracy from our facet of the crystal.
I can only notice that which we argue most vehemently against, have the most resistance to, is that which we seek to experience the truth of, and the truth must entail all facets of it.
What CWG espouses about 'death' is true. And, in the knowing of it it makes life and experience in form all the more precious - not in a fear sense, not in a separation sense. In a love sense, in gratitude and generosity.
If one is perceiving life and death in fear one will be repulsed by the notions in those quotes, therefore is it possible that one is likely to not be grateful for, or generous with that knowledge, and not take it into them self?
If this is possible then one will turn away in fear and resistance to that knowledge, therefore this knowledge would not be the 'reason' behind someone taking a short cut home. They would know both the beauty of life in form and the beauty of life not in form. They would know the preciousness and sanctity of life in form, and the preciousness and sanctity of life not in form.
This I think is why even those of us who have 'recall', memory of experience out of form immenseness, and appreciate a homesickness of sorts, absolutely rejoice in and appreciate life in form and separation and cloaked-ness.
Here's an example -
The other point, though, is that there seems to be a subtle devaluing of life, in my opinion. This is what I was saying when I pulled out Clouded’s questions about spirituality being equated with death, for example, “So to be God is to want to DIE/leave this world!?”
Clouded, (forgive me for talking about you, I'm also talking to you) was asking a question ... a question that with the unfolding of the cloak and the layers of perspective through experience will provide their own answer to the question. I can sit here and say 'absolutely not', that's not what being god is, being god is living, eternally and with awareness of all facets of a thing.
But that's not Clouded's experience in awareness, capacity and so therefore 'willingness' kicks in and Clouded adopts this perspective.... and experience in willingness, capacity and awareness.
I don't want to be God, not right now.
I want to feel like God in the sense that I want to stop comparing myself to people and experiencing a 'lack' of something.
Isn't that the starting point of most struggles? I'm tired of feeling inferior/less succesful than others. I want to stop thinking of myself as an individual (though I highly doubt this is ever going to happen to me). If I thought of myself as everything (as life), then I wouldn't have to compare myself anymore because I AM everything, I AM everyone, I have everything I ever wanted and more!
Life will enable these opportunities as they are perceived.
Accepting, embracing, etc 'being god' being our individuation of god in separation and with the opportunity to choose fear and self is no small order task we've created for ourselves. Life both works through us and with us though. We are never truly alone in any of it.
KB said:It sounds to me as if Walsch is saying Hitler did the Jews a favor, and that life is only suffering. This seems the complete opposite of what karmarider wrote about an earlier post of mine where I said I think the whole point of the universe is to experience limitation:
If life understood to be eternal then there is no 'favor' or 'offence' or 'suffering' or 'rejoicing' they collapse in equilibrium. These are only perspectives in experience. (interestingly I originally wrote 'inexperience' - and 'corrected' it