I appreciate those lines in the 'human' part of being. Having (experiencing) perspectives from different angles and sources what is there to be 'dis-satisfied' with?Onceler said:
Speaking for myself, the older I get, the less certain I am about anything.....if I were to follow this trajectory, I can see a time in the not too distant future where I will be certain of nothing, or not much.....and not be the worse for it. In fact, there seems to be an inverse relationship with my certainty and my satisfaction with life.
I too am curious about your Creation story Fore - there are many of them - versions etc and I have no issue with any of them. I can't say I stop and subscribe to any of them. (David Suzuki's book Wisdom of the Elders details many interesting ones from around the globe).
Practice what?Fore said: There are those of us who's heads are in the clouds to much joy and pleasure dancing with form to begin to practice, and there are those in deep states of pain and depression, to much aversion towards form to practice.
Being (for me) needs no practice, it's whatever/however being is.
See now, who says?Fore said: Human being is the only being that has the ability to look within, to know thyself. Human being can look back through time and cut through the countless layers, upon layers of our past conditions and experience the truth of ones being, the truth of God.
Whose 'perspective' of the conditions and capacities of 'human' ness are holding this as if separate to all creation?
And who/what is judging according to their knowledge - not right or wrong but by experiential delineating both what it is and is not capable of, and in a broad sweep of its own arrogance what other beings are and are not capable of?
Time is a relative human-perspective construct.
And one only knows oneself in relation to excising all that it does not claim to be part of itself.
In terms of ability to separate layers and time - one can if one chooses to, absolutely, but if one is being without holding onto separating & separate perspectives then being collapses time and layers - in equilibrium.
ummm would you agree then that 'God' was never lost Layers of perception cloak the perfection of creation. The construct of time & layers & perspectives cloak 'god' (imho)When God is found one can then recognise God within.
hmmm would it be fair to say that 'god' is existence - all vibrational form and formless energy eternal?God is not a light being, or any vibrational formation in existence that science has yet to accept exist.
NDE in my experience collapsed past/present/future into equilibrium - all knowledge of experience, with less delineation of experiential perspective. That there is in many cases 'light' and 'lightness' for me is just the absence of cloaking 'what is'. The energy vibration is also in equilibrium - with far more subtle awareness of what is feeding into/out of creation in eternal collapsed motion.NDE's seem to allow those who experience them to experience form in a past state akin to light vibrations(very addictive and can have long lasting pleasant effects) but this is not God, the light from God is not God.
I didn't see/feel/know the 'light' as 'god', in fact the notion of 'god' as I had been taught to view 'him' (separate from/to and more mighty and higher than) collapsed in/with the equilibrium. To put this in 'acceptable' language and have it understood in pure intention is difficult. I have at times (and 'irked' at the not this really) referred to 'heaven' but only in the sense of directing attention to that which would be understood - as in not 'earth-bound', as in not 'hell' - but 'heaven' is also a perceptual construct made by perspective and judgement holding onto a 'thing'.
I did however think of the light equilibrium as 'home', in a way that I also would struggle to express. Home in the relative sense encompasses all that you 'know' it denotes 'family', it denotes ancestry and progeny and all that you know and hold dear (love) all that is well in the fullness of 'time', the safe haven of experience from which we venture from and return to;
'home' in the light sense is this across all experience of all eternity in equilibrium - no exceptions, no exaltations, no 'mistakes', no fear through cloaked unawarenesses.
In the relative sense 'home' think how your dirt is okay, think how your loved ones' mistakes are more understood, more okay and more just learning, just experiencing; now think how 'others' dirt is not 'as okay', think how others' mistakes in the absence of understanding the experience / perspective is judged not 'as okay' as your own. In the big 'home' and yes I realise that that is probably even worse a labelling than 'heaven' ... (hang on better check the acceptable understandings of 'heaven' - maybe it's already been defined in a way I can share... - hahaha, that's funny - one synonym is listed as 'the great unknown' - nope the great all-known (sigh).
The notion of it being addictive.. .yes and no. It at once (for me) makes precious life in separation and appreciating the cloaking and the uncloaking in perspectives and at another level that all of it (combined / collapsed) is and is not important.
As I said earlier I don't need science to catch up, or undo might be more 'accurate', science and religion itself is unravelling itself of the cloaking it laid upon itself. And watching that unfolding is just kind of lovely - not judging just curiously and acceptingly observing. No different to a flower budding and blooming. No different to a child or a puppy or a lamb discovering itself, then losing itself then discovering itself all again and again and again and the me in all of them and the all of them in me being 'acknowledged' - in a 'namaste' sort of way, not imposing or limiting, nor embracing in order to hold or hold on to - just ... is.
What then would you make of the notion that there is no end, there is no beginning? And no thing to 'practice'?We are continuously being reborn trillions of times a second (layers upon layers) it is extremely rare to be reborn as a human being with this delicate balance that enables one to practice to end the cycle of rebirth.
I think more I am BEing human. And I'm happy having my head in the clouds and my feet on the ground and my awareness wherever it is - I embrace being energy in form.Now you think as many others do, I am a human being, but are you?
Thank you Fore, for allowing the expression of it.