Ramana said quite often that no one was ignorant, because everyone knows that he is ... hence all people are realized ...dijmart wrote:Hmm, I thought Ramana said we are all the Self, not we are all self realized, the self realized I thought were then called a jnani. Actually, he speaks of the ignorant, so whom would that be then?Phil2 wrote:No this is not correct, Ramana said many times that for him ALL people were already realized ... because they were already the Self ... even if they didn't know it ...dijmart wrote: I know Ramana wouldn't call someone who still has a destructive ego lingering self realized.
Just my 2 cents
A fact remains a fact, even if you don't know it ...
My source is "be are you are" the teachings of ramana maharshi.
Personally my reference is a book called "Talks with Ramana Maharshi" which is a collection of talks from 1935 to 1939, composed by Swami Ramananda Sarasvati and published in 1963 in Ramana's ashram in Tiruvannamalai (I have personally a French translation of those talks).
As you seem interested, I translate here some of those talks about realization:
The fact that realization is a reality here and now settles once for all the questions about knowing if one is realized or not ... everyone is already realized because no one can be outside the Self ... or call it formless awareness ...Ramana Maharshi wrote:
from talk 119 : "There is no greater mystery than the fact that we look for Reality when we are this Reality ... and this happens right now and here."
from talk 297: Q: "How can I realize the Self ?"
RM: "Self is already realized. Everyone should know this elementary principle."
from talk 384: Q: "But then what is realization ?"
RM: " Realization consists to get rid of the illusion to believe that you are not realized."
from talk 388: RM: "What is there to do ? Reality is unique. Therefore realization is an illusion ... Realize that you are present here and now. In fact realization is nothing new, it has always been."
from talk 413: RM: "To whom do you think the master speaks ? Does he see someone separated from the Self ? Does the master consider the disciple different from himself ? The ignorance of the disciple abides in this that he does not know that all are realized. Can anyone live separated from the Self ?