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William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 8:22 pm
by Webwanderer
I'm making this topic a sticky simply because it's that good. This is a talk by William Buhlman about our True Nature and our purpose in this human experience. I can't recommend it too highly. For those who are unfamiliar with Buhlman, he is a 40 year veteran of the Out of Body experience. This talk is given at the Monroe Institute where he perfected his skills and now regularly conducts workshops on out of body training.

If you have a genuine interest in the nature of being, why we are here, and in making the most out of our experience here, then I 'believe' you will find this well worth your time in this hour and twenty minute talk.

Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtHEtWntLiw

WW

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 7:44 pm
by steve Davidson
I am thirty minutes into this and have to say it is wonderful, even if I stop listening at this point, it was well worth my time to listen to this. Thanks for posting this and sharing it with everyone.

I am pondering how we are really non-physical beings having a human physical experience and that eventually all of us return to the non-physical at the transition called death and it would be

wise to prepare for that transition now, to learn all we can about non-physicality as preparation for that journey.

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 8:48 pm
by Webwanderer
steve Davidson wrote:I am thirty minutes into this and have to say it is wonderful, even if I stop listening at this point, it was well worth my time to listen to this. Thanks for posting this and sharing it with everyone.


Yes, I got a lot out of it as well. It seems our perspective, or life view, is best considered from an understanding that our beliefs are the traps that keep us on the reincarnation wheel. Heaven, Hell, oblivion, it doesn't matter. All such beliefs result in a created afterlife that is 'less' than the Origin that is our true home.

I've read before on a few occasions that at the time of our passing (death experience), that there is an opportunity to go into the light that is our Origin. Yet the opportunity is fleeting as beliefs adopted while in the human experience draw us to an afterlife reflecting that ingrained view. This is why and how one person goes to a Christian heaven, another goes to Jewish heaven, while others experience some version of a self created hell. It's all about the deeper beliefs one holds about the nature of what happens next.

If you're only 30 minutes in, I recommend you stay with it. It's quite enlightening all the way through.

On a side note, it is interesting that a rule that I have always lived by, even from my early teen years, is to never be 100 percent certain of anything. Always leave room for a greater understanding. This little 'prime directive' has allowed me to continue to evolve my beliefs about life in a fairly fluid way. Maybe there was a deeply felt base perspective and guiding principle that I brought with me in this life which will continue to serve me well until my transition comes. Hmm.

I recommend others to explore the possibilities Buhlman details, as it may be valuable beyond words. As always, you decide.

WW

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 9:17 pm
by steve Davidson
Thanks for sharing more WW. We can explore this in even greater detail if you are interested. I did watch the whole talk and think it is wonderful. I did have one question though that stuck with me.

It is: When we die and are reunited with our loved ones, go to that reality where it is still close to earth and form based, he seems to be suggesting that we are stuck and didnt go farther enough. There is

much greater realities out there. My question sort of is, what are we supposed to do, bypass our loved ones and not reconnect with them? Or reconnect with them for a short while and then try to go to a

deeper reality? I dont know if I am making this clear, but I hope you can sort of understand what I am questioning. We can explore this question and some of what else you wrote and what he talked about

if you are interested. Let me know if you are interested in exploring further?

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 10:07 pm
by Webwanderer
steve Davidson wrote:I did have one question though that stuck with me.

It is: When we die and are reunited with our loved ones, go to that reality where it is still close to earth and form based, he seems to be suggesting that we are stuck and didnt go farther enough.

There is much greater realities out there. My question sort of is, what are we supposed to do, bypass our loved ones and not reconnect with them? Or reconnect with them for a short while and then try to go to a deeper reality?


Let's explore.

Here's how I see it: Each of us is an extension of our Greater Being, born to explore in a unique environment of limited perspective here in earth. That goes for you and I and all our loved ones. The farther one goes up the scale of expanded perspective however, the more inclusive it is.

Those loved ones who we knew in life that were drawn into an 'astral' afterlife experience (by virtue of their fundamental beliefs), also have an Original Source Being just as you and I and everyone else. I suspect that should one go 'into the light' rather than an astral realm, those loved ones Greater Nature is alive and available for whatever contact is appropriate.

It's interesting to note that reports from the 'heavenly realms' refer to wise and wonderful beings that frequent those environments to further inspire those that live there. Maybe it is those that went to the light that are those wise and wonderfuls. Fun speculation from a still to limited perspective.

WW

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 11:52 pm
by steve Davidson
Thanks WW, I see exactly what you are saying in response to my question, it makes perfect sense what you shared. Please forgive me if you have already discussed all of this previously, I havent had time to read the other threads in the "Beyond the Physical" subforum, but did indeed see there were many threads with similar titles and topics of interest. I wish I would have joined this forum years ago and been reading all this time.

Anyways, I have not had any NDEs or OBEs nor am I a deep meditator or anything like that that would give me a glimpse into the non physical realities. I can only go by some of the things I read and have intuitively felt to be true. I have done a lot of reading on many of these topics, but as William warns, we must experience these things for ourself, so as not to make it just another belief. But with that said, I still feel we can discuss and speculate a little, that that is helpful to a certain extent, but definitely we need our own experiences and proof for ourselves, in the end. I liked how you knew this from a young age about beliefs and had your own little prime directive.

My reading is more from NDEs than OBEs, and he stressed that these prove that consciousness can exist outside of the body and does not need the brain or body to survive. So from there, logically when we physically die and leave this physical body, our consciousness, who we truly are goes back to the non physical reality, that has different laws than this physical reality, world.

Okay, so we are not from here, and the physical world makes up a very very small percentage of reality and our real reality is mostly in the non physical realms. We come here to Earth to experience certain things and test ourselves, Earth is a testing ground he said. For in the non physical realities, there does not seem to be much conflict or resistance or wars, etc. This world of form and denseness is where those things can be experienced and where we can be tested.

At this point, if I can, I would like to ask, how does someone like Tolles teachings fit into the scheme of things, from what was just said about life on earth and non physical realities? Does his teachings coincide do you think with this, help compliment what William was describing? Is Tolle aware of all these things William is describing? From my limited understanding, it seems some of these different paths or approaches dont quite mesh as well as we would like to imagine.

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:11 pm
by Webwanderer
steve Davidson wrote:At this point, if I can, I would like to ask, how does someone like Tolles teachings fit into the scheme of things, from what was just said about life on earth and non physical realities? Does his teachings coincide do you think with this, help compliment what William was describing? Is Tolle aware of all these things William is describing? From my limited understanding, it seems some of these different paths or approaches dont quite mesh as well as we would like to imagine.

My sense is that there is a distinction in context. Buhlman and others who speak of NDE's and OBE's refer in their detail to the nature of a non-physical reality. Whereas Tolle's focus seems to be more a teaching of how to disengage and gain freedom from our thought created identifications and the distortions such thought causes. Both have considerable value in their own field of discussion.

Tolle however, has spoken to the non physical on occasion and I have made a link to it in other threads in the 'Beyond the Physical' category. The link may no longer be active. If interested you might try a YouTube search - Tolle, afterlife, death experience, etc.

WW

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:02 pm
by steve Davidson
Thank you WW, I will do that, that is a great suggestion, finding some Youtubes about Tolle speaking about death and the afterlife. I also get what you are saying about the approaches of these two men, Tolle and Buhlman, makes perfect sense to me, and is helping me to see this clearer. Both have great value in their own fields of discussion as you highlighted. Thanks again.

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:32 pm
by Webwanderer
I found this video of Tolle on what happens at death. Seems to agree with Buhlman's description albeit in Tolle's own unique wording.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgE_62vZVxM

WW

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:43 pm
by steve Davidson
Thank you for that link WW. I did my own search on youtube and found other videos, but not this one. I watched one already, but this one looks even more on topic. It is a fascinating subject, topic that I never get tired of hearing about. Thanks again for the Buhlman link and now Tolle link.

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:37 pm
by Enlightened2B
I just got around to watching the video. I've actually seen this one previously a couple of years ago. Thanks for sharing it though WW. It was definitely worth the watch again. I like Buhlman's views largely especially his acknowledgement that our beliefs are what we create. He's incredibly emphatic on self empowerment and I love that. It IS all about beliefs ultimately.

Yet, I will say that I don't agree with him on everything. I read his book too "Adventures in the Afterlife".

I have gotten an enormous amount of insight from researching NDE's and OBE's. However, what I have also come to see recently is that it needs to be understood (and this is why I don't agree with a lot of what Robert Monroe came to understand) all of these experiences, while incredibly valuable are still colored of course to some extent by the experiencers own belief systems. Yet, there are many other NDE's which I resonate with far far more so because of how they make me feel in my body.

Buhlman supports this idea of spiritual evolution which is all about spiritual progress. While I believe that Earth itself is evolving, no doubt. And we clearly as Consciousness are infinitely expanding, there is a vast difference in "Expansion" (which is infinite because imagination is infinite) and "Spiritual progress/evolution". This same idea is touted in many other spiritual teachings. It's as if "If you don't get there, you will be left behind". Or "Everyone learns at their own pace". But, this presupposes that we are learning ANYTHING here or progressing anywhere. It is something that I subscribed to as recently as a couple of years ago I would say. But, I no longer do. It's hard for me to explain my own intuitive insight on this. But, I really had to look within myself to FEEL what answers really resonated and what didn't anymore. And it took a lot of honesty with myself. Not to mention, if you look at the NDE's of:

1) Rich Kelley (who I have spoken to multiple times on the phone)
2) Nanci Danison (who I have spoken to through email)
3) Kelly Sammy (who I have spoken to through face book)
4) Raymond Killman (who I have spoken to also through face book and am face book friends with)
plus the works of Conversations with God in the first book and many others including Julia Assante, Abraham, etc, these people/entities will tell you flat out. We are here to learn NOTHING and to progress to NOTHING. I don't believe in any kind of reincarnation cycle either.

In other words, when I listen to Buhlman talk, about beliefs creating, it resonates deeply to the core of myself. This man GETS it. However, in my estimation, I think he has overlaid some of his own beliefs on top of the simplicity of why we are REALLY here (which in my mind has nothing to do with spiritual evolution/progress).

I'm going to post a link from Julia Assante where she discusses about her interview with Buhlman and where she also disagrees with him. Her views here are directly in line with my own.

I'm actually editing this comment to add this point here and deleting some other stuff as my post was getting initially extremely long. I think the reason that Buhlman gets very animated over the idea of "preparing for the death experience", is because, yes, he has absolutely experienced the astral realms and experienced how our beliefs (which correlate vibrationally with our experience here in the physical AND in the non physical without question) create our direct experience. However, Buhlman (like so many other NDE's which don't GO far enough) has only gotten to a certain point in understanding because they have not gone nearly as far as others have in the transition experience. He never died. OBE's is NOT death. True death I think, is something so far different than we can possibly comprehend and we will ALL eventually come to see that none of it, including the 'lower realms' is ultimately real once we start transitioning back to the higher frequencies. There is nothing we need to worry about, or prepare for in order for us to get back 'home'. Every NDE'r gets there for the most part. Kelly Sammy was a suicide NDE who had the most horrific self loathing thoughts about herself on death. What happened in her transition process?

See below:
The day I committed suicide, I overdosed on very heavy sedatives. And LOTS of them. I was in my SUV vehicle laying in the back. I felt my body slow down, my breathing become very shallow and my organs stop working. That is the only way I can describe it. I was literally 'aware' of my death. My first realization that I was "DEAD" was that I was ABOVE my vehicle looking in at my body convulsing and fluids leaving my body. I witnessed the entire thing. I didn't feel scared. No pain. No fear at all. Just a pure peace with it all. And then I was in BLISS. I was not separate from anything-I was EVERYTHING. I became it ALL. This is the oneness I now understand fully. That feeling is just one of EUPHORIA. And I never wanted to LEAVE that place. The feelings that permeated my entire BEING (even though I was not separate or a being--a really difficult thing to explain..)permeated with LOVE. And as I experienced this, I was also a witness to my entire LIFE.

I was able to view and communicate (without ever having to use words) with everyone in my life in a single brief BLIP. I was able to thank, apologize, forgive, accept, and just come to a complete AHA with all that had transpired. This was not something that felt 'necessary' or like a requirement. It was nothing like what I have heard of people having a 'life review'. There was NO judgement. No one to tell me I did this wrong, or this right. All simply WAS and all simply WAS LOVE. And even though I was able to communicate and have those moments of acceptance, apology, forgiveness, etc...that was simply because my human self wanted to close those loops. Almost like a finality if you will. And EVERY SINGLE experience was a celebration. Even those we would label 'bad' or 'wrong' were celebrated purely as an EXPERIENCE.

I feel like this co-experience of ONENESS lasted a lifetime and a second at the same time. Simply because there was NO TIME. My next experience led me to what I refer to as the Akashic Hall of Records and a huge stone table where I was greeted by many Souls, of all 'type'. Some human, others not. Here, I was shown how we as souls chart and draft our life plans. I was able to understand mine further and realize that even this experience of suicide and death was charted. I am giving you minute details simply because of time and space lol but I could talk days about each of these areas of experience during my 18 minutes of apparent 'death'.

I was shown that I would return to the physical vessel that I left and that I would still be the characteristics of Kelly, yet with a knowing that I am MORE than Kelly pre NDE. I had an amazing experience with Arch Angel Gabrielle who led me to a garden with the most magnificent colors and smells. NOTHING I can compare it to here...although I try. Gardenias and the palest of pinks...but again those don't even TOUCH what I experienced. I met my son as an adult. He told me he needed me to return. My Guide Bernadette who I also met, told me I had bigger work to do in helping others be reminded to remember WHO they are. That we are all EVERY THING and NO-THING at the same time. And we are each PERFECT in this illusion of separation. That this experience is truly just that -- and a blip on the radar of who we really are. To be JOYOUS, to be LOVE. To know the contrasts or only so we can know MORE of this JOY and LOVE.

Whenever I write or share about my experience I get a sensation of LOVE I cannot describe. It is euphoric. When I returned to my vessel/physical body...I wanted to skip through the halls of the hospital and tell everyone and YET....I had just killed myself and taken very strong medications to do so. My Guide Bernadette and several Angels were there with me and that made me question if I was truly INSANE from what I had possibly done to my brain. They just kept telling me to "keep quiet...for now". So when the doctor came in and asked if "you see anything or hear anything that others do not" -- that was my first lesson to say "no, doctor, I am just fine."

The weeks after this experience, I could literally walk through walls as the molecules were still moving so rapidly around me. If I had a thought about a place SWOOSH, I astral traveled there. I did not sleep for almost 10 days because I was terrified this would GO away. I was talking with my deceased loved ones as if they were sitting with me at that table. Yet of course no one else could see them. I realized (finally) that I could go to sleep and my senses would never close up. My gifts to see/hear/feel those hear and gone were to remain.



https://nhne-nde-network.org/forums/topic/194/my-nde-via-suicide

Kelly had probably some of the worst possible beliefs about herself at her transition experience, but was her experience anything other than beautiful? So, what is Buhlman think he is preparing for at death is what I ask? All is well in the words of Abraham. :D

Let me put it this way, in Nanci Danison's new book "Answers from the Afterlife", she has a whole section on the death experience and why certain NDE'rs come back with some experiences of the after life, while others have OTHER experiences. She has said that we can create experiences early on in the transition experience and it will seem incredibly REAL, but it is only temporary. Everyone eventually merges with Source. It is completely up to us. So, I say, why not instead, live your life from whatever INSPIRES you rather than trying to prepare for a death experience? Not everyone WILL wake up to their beliefs. And there is only something wrong with that if you believe there is actually.....SOMETHING TO LOSE. If you believe that there is anything to lose in this life (by worrying about the death experience), well......

With that said.....I will say that Buhlman is incredibly passionate and I love that about him. I read his news letter regularly and his views on OBE's are the BEST by far. And he's motivated me to want to explore going out of body more.

Here is Julia's first piece discussing her interview with Buhlman

http://www.juliaassante.com/william-buhlman-on-out-of-body-trips-into-the-afterlife/

Here's her second piece which contradicts Buhlman's view that "Earth is a training ground"

http://www.juliaassante.com/are-physical-dimensions-training-grounds-or-experiments-in-creativity/

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:13 am
by Enlightened2B
Webwanderer wrote:It seems our perspective, or life view, is best considered from an understanding that our beliefs are the traps that keep us on the reincarnation wheel.


This is meant in no dis-respect to you. Yet, I'm really surprised to read this from you, that you would believe (no pun intended), in a re-incarnation trap of sorts. Do you really believe that you are incarnating to Earth because you are unaware of your beliefs? I'm asking that seriously because knowing what a huge Abe fan you are as well, this is in direct opposition to what they teach. Not to mention, I've read your posts over the years and they have inspired me greatly as I have mentioned to you many times and you are one of the most well read NDE researchers I have known and you've read/watched some of the same NDE's I've mentioned in the comment above. Doesn't that idea feel a bit fearful or upstream to you regardless of whether someone reported this idea in their own OBE research? Perhaps there is a context to what you are referencing here that I am missing.

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:27 am
by steve Davidson
Thanks E2B for chiming in and sharing those links, i will check them out. I love when others with similar interests chimes in and shares. I can learn a lot more than just learning on my own. Thanks again and i look forward to WW replying to your question.

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:41 am
by Enlightened2B
Steve, I just added something to my comment. Check it out when you have a chance. It's a quote from NDE'r Kelly Sammy on her own suicide NDE. And this is why NDE's to me, are just far far far more valuable than any OBE research. Especially, those NDE's that really get to transition far in the process. Meaning, the ones that get past the 'subjective stage' of the transition process. The subjective stage is the stage where we create our own realities.

Re: William Buhlman and the true Nature of Being

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:03 am
by steve Davidson
E2B, thanks for that follow up post and the editing to the former post. This was my first exposure to Buhlman, and even though i really liked his talk, it did create in me some fear and trepidation about not being ready for the afterlife, so that was very perceptive of you to comment on that without anyone mentioning it, that you felt that too.

He focused so strongly on that if we think of ourselves as a male or female human form, we will only make it to a place close to earth with most of our relatives there and still be earthbound sort of. That being repeated over and over instilled some fear in me, not love.

NDEs are talking about love, not fear. So i was a little confused by all of this. And i also never had a OBE nor NDE. So anything i know about the afterlife is from reading about it and intuition. He made some great points and seems very sincere, so in the end i am glad i listened to it and gained something from it, in fact, a little more urgency to know what really happens.

So what would you suggest at this point, after hearing a talk like this, what to do now? I see the importance of being prepared somewhat for death and the afterlife. Try to have my own OBEs and how would you suggest that if so? Have you been successful in inducing OBEs? Or just live life well and the afterlife will take care of itself, is that what you are suggesting? Trying to figure this out, the fine line between preparation and no preparation. Buhlman, definitely stressed preparation and NDEers it seems, from what you posted, are not stressing preparation. I hope you are willing to discuss this with me on this thread or PM if this thread is not the best place for this discussion, whatever you are most comfortable, thanks.