Re: Suicide NDE
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:17 am
(But I guess, technically, if one hasn't wasted any opportunity at all... then he/she hasn't wasted the opportunity of opportunity wasting.... )
A discussion community revolving around Eckhart Tolle but not limited to him
hmm we're getting very close to that old topic about the Tolle article where he says when people assume there is free will, they don't recognise the things that are not 'free will'; and when they realise that there is no free will, then there isWebby said: If one cannot waste time, can they waste opportunity? Are some experiences more valuable than others toward the evolution of consciousness? The question of 'waste' then, if it is at all possible, must be related to the ability to choose.
Thanks for twisting my head into a pretzel in your post Jen.
What is life if not a growing? Is there an end to infinity? Is there an end to expansion? To potential? Does new have a limit? How does consciousness explore/experience limitlessness?I don't think I buy into the idea that consciousness is growing, or even needs to grow.
am still trying to picture your head as a pretzel webbyww said: Just some fun considerations.
is a pause creator.Is creation not intentional?
Not if the question brings understanding to the initial question by enlarging the context. The thing is, can the question be definitively answered at all from the human mind perspective? Or is it just opinion based on accumulated belief systems? Aren't all our opinions just our best guess? Do limitations in understanding matter? If so, how?
Maybe you could define what you mean by 'matter'. Could be apples and oranges.But like everything, it does/does not matter.
Is exploration intentional? What is it's goal? What is being explored?Could it be intentional? Maybe and yes, sometimes - but intention usually has a end in mind, a result, a goal.
Agreed. But why experience at all?Therefore, I would still say, regardless of what is experienced, in purpose, in accident, in consciousness or unconsciousness, as an intention or as a consequence, it's all just experience/d of the 'all'. Therefore, whatever one deems to be a 'waste' is still an experience or an expression.
I think you're on to something
I don't think I buy into the idea that consciousness is growing, or even needs to grow. Maybe I think about it as infinite already. Maybe that's why the idea of expending it carelessly, extravagantly, for no purpose (outside of the pure experience of 'expending' it) is all just fine.
Yes, and this is the dilemma for me. I just can't wrap my limited human mind around the idea that we're here; we're creators....but yet....there IS no goal, other than to be here, in this very experience. But, yet, deep inside, I know it feels 'right' to me.Creation as and of itself if limitless and eternal can only have the experience of itself, not an end goal.
We choose what we experience, whether we're aware of it or not.webby said: Agreed. But why experience at all?
What I mean by 'matter' (in 'does/does not matter') is pure physics. For a temporary time energy composes itself into 'matter' density - - actions moving energy, thoughts, emotions, so yes in a moment the expression of that energy was (whatever), so it does come into 'matter', but it doesn't stay in that composition or density. What is left of it is a ghost of our re-creation, and by the time we're even breathing out - it's gone and composed itself into something else - and always, always in equilibrium in the larger perspective. So it does and does not (in the grand scheme of things) stand out as a thing of matter as permanent as we might believe it to be, or hold on to it as if it 'is'.ww said: Maybe you could define what you mean by 'matter'. Could be apples and oranges.
Usually understanding or seeking what is unknown is the intention of exploration.Is exploration intentional? What is it's goal? What is being explored?