sevenworlds wrote:WW, as long as an individual is unable to see that these are all only words and ideas, dressing this up in positivity is bound to do nothing other than perpetuate their current state. People have invested so much for so long in love and positivity, they don't want to let go of those ideas.
This seems to be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Yes, the words are only words as is the case with all teachings from all teachers, but the useful ones point to a perspective beyond words - one that is known in experience. And what other generally effective medium do we have to convey information? And are you saying that an investment in love and positivity has been void of benefit to the investor?
While it's true that some just give lip service in their pointing, others take their reference to heart and make honest reviews of their perspectives. We as pointers, cannot know the impact of our words in certitude. We can only offer them from integrity and direct experience. Each listener is responsible for how (or if) they integrate that insight.
It may be a fundamental goal in development of consciouness that interactions between beings is effected significantly by the nature of those interactions. So it seems incumbant to have guiding principles that point the way. I agree that we do need to understand that the pointers are just that - pointers, and not that that is pointed to. The best teachers it seems, are those that can convey those pointers in a way that moves the listener beyond the words themselves.
Cause and effect only operates through time which is mind.
Can we be certain of this or does the mind just transform events into the perception of time? Cause and effect may well transcend time and matter. And consider, is there a better medium of learning than the fundamental laws of cause and effect?
The politicians play to this very well and so they use positive sounding words like 'hope' and 'change', which imply future.
No argument from here. But politicians are generally not in the business of bringing clarity to one's life. Far too many specialize in manipulation for the purpose of forwarding an agenda. So it is common for them to appeal to blind emotionalism in order to get the support (and votes) for agendas, that if seen clearly, would more likely get them put on trial for treason.
Many spiritual teachers are guilty of the same.
While true again, it paints with too broad a brush for my taste. The power of discernment lies latent in all of us; and a key factor in useful pointers is to get us in touch with this ability. It is indeed worthwhile to point out that many "spiritual" teachers have an agenda other than offering assistance to their listeners. But it seems a disservice to point out the fallibility of some without acknowledging the virtue of others.
So long as we understand that we must look for ourselves, beyond the words, the words have little harm. But, as we are prone to ego identification, it is important to offer constant reminders that the words are just tools in the cause of pointing.