As you pointed there is no such thing as spiritual nature. There is only nature.Webwanderer wrote:Perhaps it is your vision that is too narrowly focused. Without a clear understanding of the spiritual nature of life, how can you gauge the success or failure of this physical human environment? What is your measure of success to have judged it a failure? And whatever that measure might be, is it not a product of your focus?karmarider wrote:To the extent that it is about finding about the truth of being human, yes, I can say that it has failed humanity. Spirituality has not improved the human condition.
There is a perspective which says that nothing is wrong, and it is completely true. There is perspective which is simultaneously true which says a great deal of human suffering is just a misunderstanding. That's how I gauge success. Spirituality so far has not done better than in anything else in freeing people.
I don't recommend that as it would be a very spiritual thing to do.And if I cut my heart out I might I might find relief from all that annoying beating going on in my chest.Then you might find the freedom from spritual context an enormous relief.From my own experience I have found a spiritual context enormously freeing.
That's cool. That's what it is about.It seems I've only just scratched the surface to the gifts such a perspective has to offer. And besides, I'm having way too much fun.