For most people awakening to one's true nature and then stabilizing in it is gradual. People will have glimpses but not understand it because they can't, no one can. This usually creates confusion. But as one repeatedly dwells in the present moment the clarity of Being is revealed to be what you are rather than any content within the mind, any thought of what you think you are, or any kind of form. If you aren't what you think you are then what are you? That's what is discovered, your real nature - call it what you will.shappy wrote:There is nothing gradual about it.
As you stated, though, the experience of Being (insofar as you can call it an experience) is immediate, and it utterly obliterates everything else. It was here yesterday, it's here now, and it will be here forevermore. It can't get any more immediate than that. And when you see it, there it is, in its fullness - utterly complete, alive, empty yet pregnant with every possibility, aware, and as natural and simple as the open sky - simplicity in the extreme - home. But these are just words and they don't do it justice.
I agree. It is beyond description, and yet we still make attempts at doing so.shappy wrote:It is absolutely different from anything that you can imagine. And I'm not trying to be cryptic at all. It is just the simple fact of the matter: It is beyond imagination. There is nothing that happens "there", you are just being in all it's indescribable being-ness. Simply being the utter freedom of who you already are. It is extremely alive and intense yet completely natural.
First, I only mention fear because there are many people who struggle with this; I no longer do, as I mentioned. I answer out of a desire to get them beyond it. And yes, it is nonsense, but not to those who have turned it into a stumbling block. Am I to totally ignore this issue, an issue which many are dealing with? Is it helpful to simply say fear is nonsense?shappy wrote:So I can't help but raise an eyebrow when you claim that you often abide in this being-ness and yet you still discuss nonsense like worry and fear.
I've already done that in a previous post in this thread, as well elsewhere on the board. Your description doesn't vary with how I experience it. And why should it be something not to be experienced easily, regularly, since it is what you are?shappy wrote:I mean, if you think that we are talking about the same thing, then you must be abiding in this being-ness a lot. Please tell us in your own words what this feels like. I would love to know.
I'm talking about you as shappy, the person. What do you, shappy, say to others about fear and how to handle it when someone else thinks it's a problem? And what do you do when fear arises?shappy wrote: (on who experiences fear) I don't know what you mean by "you" (in quotes), but it is experienced through me, shappy. Only the person experiences fear.
shappy wrote:The need you express to subdue fear is clear evidence that we are not talking about the same thing.
Again, I answer this as a response to those who have issues with fear. With me fear is no longer an issue. There is no subduing of fear; when it arises it is seen for what it is, another mental construct. Very simple, very direct - it is simply recognized by consciousness and then dissolves. It couldn't be any more simple.
No, it won't, and I don't recall ever saying this.shappy wrote:Secondly, alleviating fear will not have you being.
You seem certain about what my experience is. Curious.shappy wrote:The only reason why you are experiencing a lose of fear is because you have conditioned your mind to do that.
I agree, fear is about conditioning and has nothing to do with being. Most people fear what lies in the future, based on past experience, and for those people for whom the ego appears real, this is a big problem. That fear has a cloaking ability which blocks the now. Not the now of what's happening, not the content, but the field in which everything happens. It is only while in that field of now that Being can be sensed. I try to point this out in as many ways as I can; some get it and some don't.shappy wrote:Also, regarding that earlier quote of yours about fear, this talk of fear being future-based has absolutely nothing to do with being and everything to do with conditioning.
Yes, I agree with that description, but when someone says, "Yes, but how is that experienced? What should I do?" what do you say?shappy wrote: (on what you do when others ask about how to experience Being) It is the deepest and simplest immediacy of the direct experience.