Can you demonstrate that an embryo is not conscious ?ashley72 wrote:No this is wrong....there is no fundamental contradiction it's an illusion of your mind.riderforever wrote:Does it make sense to you ?
Jaynes says that you need introspection and retrospection for Consciousness. This quality requires not just thinking...but penetrative thinking that can move inwards and outward or forwards & backwards... a kind of mind-space that thinking takes place in. He believed that this ability evolved from a persons mental linguistic scaffolding. This mental scaffolding which actually creates our mind-space comes from the use of metaphor and its tendency to represent or model the physical world & behaviour as a operation for explaining more and more abstract complexity.
An Embryo does not think, the brain has not yet formed. Thinking can only come after the brain has formed. Therefore, an embryo is a preconscious living organism.
A child who has a full array of sensory systems, eyes, ears, nose, skin, tongue & brain by Jaynes theory is still at a preconscious stage of development... Because the infants mind-space has not yet sufficiently developed to allow introspection or retrospection. For consciousness to develop the child will first have to learn language, the use of metaphor operations, which with more & more complexity until a mind-space forms. The child will than have the ability for introspection or retrospection...until this time the child will not suffer anxiety or other mental illness associated with being self-conscious.
Because if you can't then the entire logic falls apart, doesn't it.