what happened to ET during those days on the park bench?

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Postby Onceler » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:36 pm

No, I totally appreciate it! I think it's brilliant. It may also test your belief orientation.....depending on your belief orientation. I like to listen to people from a completely different perspective sometimes (I have a special affinity for evangelical tv preachers) just to put my ego on its ear. I like what you say about openness.
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Postby oak tree » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:02 pm

Ashley, I totally agree with you about the listening.

Recently, when I'm waking along the street or talking public transport I find myself listening to the sounds around me. I notice sounds I hadn't noticed before! Its actually very enjoyable.
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Re: what happened to ET during those days on the park bench?

Postby ashley72 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:30 pm

Its good to resonate with you guys on this... Have either of you heard of the Valley Spirit?

It's a bit of Taoist wisdom, which I believe is a metaphor for listening...being open & receptive. :wink:

Eckhart Tolle says, “There is real power there when you let go of the ego’s need for power (to be the Mountain), which is a pseudo power. Then become the valley - the Tao te Ching calls it the ‘Valley Spirit’, the mother, female, the source of power for the Tao ”
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Re: what happened to ET during those days on the park bench?

Postby Onceler » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:54 pm

ashley72 wrote:Its good to resonate with you guys on this... Have either of you heard of the Valley Spirit?

It's a bit of Taoist wisdom, which I believe is a metaphor for listening...being open & receptive. :wink:

Eckhart Tolle says, “There is real power there when you let go of the ego’s need for power (to be the Mountain), which is a pseudo power. Then become the valley - the Tao te Ching calls it the ‘Valley Spirit’, the mother, female, the source of power for the Tao ”


Haven't heard of it, but interestingly I have picked up the Tao Te Ching and have been getting into it very much.

"Attention is the rarest and purist form of generosity." Simon Weil
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Re: what happened to ET during those days on the park bench?

Postby oak tree » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:45 pm

ashley72 wrote:Its good to resonate with you guys on this... Have either of you heard of the Valley Spirit?

It's a bit of Taoist wisdom, which I believe is a metaphor for listening...being open & receptive. :wink:

Eckhart Tolle says, “There is real power there when you let go of the ego’s need for power (to be the Mountain), which is a pseudo power. Then become the valley - the Tao te Ching calls it the ‘Valley Spirit’, the mother, female, the source of power for the Tao ”


My copy of Tao Te Ching is Stephen Mitchell's translation. I don't remember the Valley Spirit in it. Nice metaphor though. :)
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Re: what happened to ET during those days on the park bench?

Postby Onceler » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:25 pm

oak tree wrote:
My copy of Tao Te Ching is Stephen Mitchell's translation. I don't remember the Valley Spirit in it. Nice metaphor though. :)


Yes! Byron Katie's husband. They did a book on the Tao together called 'A Thousand Names for Joy. '
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Re: what happened to ET during those days on the park bench?

Postby oak tree » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:43 pm

Onceler wrote: Yes! Byron Katie's husband. They did a book on the Tao together called 'A Thousand Names for Joy. '


Oh! I got a copy of A Thousand Names for Joy last year and loved it! I remember Byron referring to her husband Stephen in the book but I didn't realise it was Stephen Mitchell. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Re: what happened to ET during those days on the park bench?

Postby ZenOfchaos » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:45 pm

Webwanderer wrote:Tolle's revelation, the insight that that came in that moment of intense pain and set his life on a new path, was that 'he was not what he thought'. All the identifiers of what he believed to be self were in an instant, recognized as misperceptions.

The two years on the park bench were invested in deepening his clarity and understanding the true nature of being. The transformative experience was the end of one perspective on life, and the beginning of a new one. It's like he received the keys to a new world of understanding, but he still had some exploring to do in this new world.

As with all of us, there a world of exploration available even though we gain a measure of freedom from the illusion of thought identification. Two years is just a good beginning for most in a lifetime of opportunity.

WW


thanks WW.

This is clear. It has answered the first question well. I think the seed of doubt that has grown in my mind is that he teaches a path that gets one to the state of peace and joy to people that haven't been given the key to a new world. So is the teachings as relevant to someone without keys as it for someone with keys?
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Re: what happened to ET during those days on the park bench?

Postby ZenOfchaos » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:53 pm

ashley72 wrote:ZenOfcaos,

Tolle's primary message is realising your true nature which is deeper than thought.

Your deeper nature is attentiveness.

The park bench, is a place a person can go to relax and be attentive to the birds, the passing dogs, families, Jogger... without the need to attend to thoughts. Just sit and be attentive or present to the passing of life.

Tolle describes an arising "thought" as no different from a passing bird or dog that might pass by the park bench. You can choose whether to follow the thought as you might continue to watch the dog as it follows the scent. In other words, something deeper than thought chooses whether to follow the thought or not. That of course is our attentive nature.

However, there is two distinct & opposing parts to our attention network or attentive nature, which is the Ventral & Dorsal stream.

I am on the view, that people suffering from self conscious behaviour , are primarly activating their Dorsal stream. Where the viewpoint is viewer-centred or ego-centric, which is the opposite of the Ventral stream which is allocentric or object-centred.

So "suffering" may be more complex than merely identifying with our self defeating thoughts. It might also have something to do with which network stream we predominately rely upon in our daily lives.

Is there something we can do that helps one shift from the Dorsal stream to the Ventral stream?

Maybe utter acceptance of what is?

I would love to see some scientific research into whether increasing ones "acceptance" of sense objects leads to predominantly more activation of our Ventral stream.... A more object-centred rather than view-centred or ego-centric (Dorsal stream) perspective.


Certainly I think this is where the practice of mindfulness and 'being in the now' meet neuropsychology. I wonder if these different streams represent top down vs bottom-up processes. I also wonder if the shift is one of dominance and utility rather than unconscious vs conscious driven. Perhaps once one realises their true(r) nature it results in a shift from 'working everything out' which includes the dominance of analysing and judging incoming information to the brain understanding that it is not necessary. So it becomes more of a specialised function rather than dominant - used sparingly rather than at all times.
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