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Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:53 pm
by ashley72
ZenOfchaos wrote:What I meant was attract the ability to 'accept' sensations rather than wishing them away.


You cannot "attract" acceptance from the universe. Acceptance is internal. It comes from within.

Here is a great insight from Lao Tzu

“Life is a series of natural and spontaneous changes. Don't resist them; that only creates sorrow. Let reality be reality. Let things flow naturally forward in whatever way they like.”

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The "inner" resistance that Lao talks of comes in the form of protective thoughts, these thoughts inhibit the thinkers experience of natural & spontaneous changes in sensations. Have you noticed?

The good news is we can exchange protective thoughts for positive affirmations that allow us to fully experience the natural & spontaneous changes that Lao points to.

You don't attract natural & spontaneous changes...it's not about attracting anything. It's about becoming receptive or open to what is naturally happening around us.


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Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:46 am
by ZenOfchaos
Why can't you attract acceptance? Can one only attract money and cars? :)

Isn't acceptance just another flow of energy in another form?

Nice turtle!

Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:23 am
by ashley72
ZenOfchaos wrote:Why can't you attract acceptance? Can one only attract money and cars? :)

Isn't acceptance just another flow of energy in another form?


You don't attract money or cars. You exchange or trade for them. If I've got salt and another person has got potatoes, we can trade. Same with money and cars. Money is merely the universal currency of trade.

The usual way to get a car or money is to trade for them. You first trade your time in the way of labour for money. Then you can trade that money for the car. :wink:

Positive affirmations can help here. Because hard labour usually requires unpleasant sensations. Protective thoughts arise to protect you from unwanted physical sensations such as blisters and sore muscles etc. Therefore, the thinker needs to exchange protective thoughts for positive affirmations like.... "I cannot handle working this job" for "if I continue working in this job, I can save enough money to buy a new car". This is where the term "trade-off" comes from. You lose something, in this case some time and physical effort, and then you gain a car. Exchange is at work.

So it is not about attraction, its about exchanging. Right down to the thoughts. Certainly energy is the primordial bases of all things, and acceptance and non-acceptance has to do with energy exchange, but I don't believe the term "attraction" is helpful in understanding what is unfolding here. I hope you agree.

Maybe this thread should have been titled the "Universal Law of Mental, Physical and Energetic Exchange". :lol:

Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:56 am
by ZenOfchaos
It was a rhetorical question :)

I was just making the point that LOA isn't confined to material possessions. underneath everything is the same stuff. e=mc^2 and all that. so one can attract anything really, including mood and thought patterns like acceptance of sensations.

So instead of thinking about a new Porsche one can think about how one would like to feel and act in certain circumstances, like public speaking.

I have no doubt that there is still work involved and no material good or desire will simply fall into your lap. so there will always be a trade-off yes, again that's simple physics.

so if you try to attract feeling good about public speaking you will attract the situations and knowledge you need to do so. but one still has to take those opportunities to manifest that reality.

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I don't think its just down to thought and thinking positively. we manifest unhappy situations too. thoughts are only a mental byproduct of what's happening underneath. so imo its nothing to do with thoughts themselves but something much deeper. probably a great deal to do with beliefs (most which are below the conscious radar).

so I believe you manifest what you REALLY want which is not always what you think you want and if you want to manifest something then you have to go to your deeper beliefs and challenge them.

so while accepting uncomfortable emotions and sensations is very positive and helpful I draw to what adya said "acceptance is overrated. everyone wants to jump straight to acceptance. look for the truth. truth brings acceptance".

Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:58 pm
by smiileyjen101
Ashley said: As an agoraphobic I've already gained valuable insights as a consequence of my disorder. However, I'm searching for a missing piece of the puzzle. It has something to do with the way we process sensations into feelings. The MC2 Method is on the right track.

When a sensation turns into a feeling... It happens when we categorise or label the sensation as positive or negative.

When you explore sensations you realise the sensations that arise during an orgasm don't seem very different from the sensations of a panic attack. Or the sensations of anxiety don't seem different from those of excitement. If this is true what is going on here?

As an agoraphobic I know we do not like experiencing certain sensations in certain scenarios (usually around people), so we tend to try and hold onto ourselves (resist) the sensation occurring when with people . This doesn't work very well.. It's near impossible to resist sensations. So we usually avoid people so we don't have to do the impossible.


Ash, could the missing piece, be the processing of subtle energy, creating inner sensations from recognition of atmospheric condition stimuli without the ability to explain it in a harmonious way?

I may be way off field, but the law of attraction in terms of 'like energy' attracting / grouping is no more or less than being on the right frequency. In the Being Human thread I do liken it to radio station frequencies and these energies can be 'picked up', if we are unaware we have strayed into a stronger frequency than our own we can 'switch stations' without logical reasoning, and this can lead to seeming out of control stimulation and fearful interpretation.

Dr Judith Horloff, says this...
Patient after patient has come to me labeled "agoraphobic" or with "panic disorder," having received only minor respite from traditional treatments: valium and behavior therapy. Some were nearly house-bound. They'd all say, "I dread being in crowded places where I can't make a quick escape. Forget department stores, busy streets, elevators, tunnels. I avoid them like the plague." Sounded very familiar. So I decided to take a history of how these people processed subtle energy in the world, something all healers must be trained to assess. Voila! I found many were undiagnosed empaths. For me, this changed everything. My job then became teaching my patients to center themselves and deal with the day-to-day nuances of energy more productively.

http://www.drjudithorloff.com/Free-Articles/Drained.htm


Now that you're on the track of Sensation... and realising that you are interpreting / translating, and that some of it at times may seem overwhelming, can you at all think that maybe you're sensing subtle energies that seem to have no 'logical' basis? Tuning into frequencies basically.

Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:22 pm
by ashley72
Agoraphobia is disorder where the thinker basically becomes hyper-vigilant towards people and their own physical sensations, protective "thoughts" arise warning the agoraphobic that they can't handle the physical sensations when interacting with people. These protective thoughts cause avoidance behaviours so extreme an agoraphobic won't leave the house because their protective thoughts warn them not to.

Luckily for me that extreme part of the condition only lasted for a few weeks, some 6 years ago now. However, I still struggle with protective thoughts... but I'm really starting to get on top of it recently.

I'm treating myself with my own version of cognitive behaviour therapy. I exchange the protective thoughts for positive affirmations. This allows me to then expose myself to a situation the protective thoughts warn against... unpleasant sensations may arise in some cases. I do not leave no matter what the protective thoughts or unpleasant sensations are saying. I just positively affirm I need to be here now. Obviously every exposure helps break free of old conditioned patterns.

Interestingly, you don't just suddenly become cured in one exposure. You need to keep pushing the boundaries each time. I've been pushing the boundaries for about six years now! I am not ready to volunteer for public speaking roles just yet... But who knows if I got asked... I would just positively affirm "I can do it" in place of the protective thought "I'm going to fall to pieces in front of everyone"... and then face those sensations holding onto the positive affirmation! :wink:

Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:49 pm
by tod
Ashley, I do not see Jen as not acknowledging your view, but merely offering another one for you to 'occupy' for a while.

I have found it very useful to be able to 'put my own view to one side' and immerse myself in another for a spell. I can always go back to my original view if I so wish.

Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:13 pm
by tod
And if I may say so, Jen, I really appreciated what you posted there. Thank you.

Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:52 am
by smiileyjen101
I'm still curious about what it is that you think is missing Ash. Between what and what is something missing?

To work with these ideas you need to break down "experiences" into 4 main categories:

1. Thoughts

2. Sensations

3. Beliefs

4. Manifestations


Could the missing bit be that prior to thoughts, sensations, beliefs and manifestations there is interaction with stimuli... multitudes of stimuli that is available to be processed into 'experience'.

Hyper-vigilance is a 'possible' response to stimuli. Am I right in understanding that panic attacks are a result of, not the cause of, hyper-vigilance, but that they become all but synonymous?

The other consideration in both agoraphobia and claustrophobia includes a distortion of spacial relating and balance, which I can attest in claustrophobic experiences feels gawd-awful. Multi-sensory integration can create a sense of overload which does in fact create overload in our processing systems, which is then generated in sensation and creates imbalance.

Where this butts up against interpretation and working with energies in motion though... ?

Sorry, I seem to be missing something here myself :wink:

Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:17 pm
by ashley72
tod wrote:Ashley, I do not see Jen as not acknowledging your view, but merely offering another one for you to 'occupy' for a while.

I have found it very useful to be able to 'put my own view to one side' and immerse myself in another for a spell. I can always go back to my original view if I so wish.


Hi Tod,

I'm flexible. If you look at the variety of stuff I post & reply to... You'll notice I liked to get involved in a range of discussions.

I find Jen's language difficult to follow at times. So it doesn't get through to me as well. I'm sure it resonates well with others that use similar language when expressing themselves. Horses for courses I say.

An example of language which doesn't compute for me " recognition of atmospheric condition stimuli". I understand the individual terms, but expressed with too much embellishment & use loose my focus. I would probably just shorten that to "stimuli" if it conveys the same basic message.

Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:04 am
by smiileyjen101
Sorry for getting the thread off track Ash, if I just meant 'stimuli' the sentence would have read -
Ash, could the missing piece, be the processing of subtle energy, creating inner sensations from stimuli, without the ability to explain it in a harmonious way?

For me the layers of processing both the language and the stimuli would have less 'depth'. But if that question is easier for you to answer that would be great. Could that be the 'missing piece'?

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The addition of 'recognition' in processing subtle energy is different to blind experience of stimuli.
Hence the sentence would have been -
Ash, could the missing piece be the processing of subtle energy, creating inner sensations from recognition of stimuli, without the ability to explain it in a harmonious way?

If the process of recognition throws up information that is at odds with established beliefs, absolutely uncomfortable feelings / sensations can occur.

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The 'atmospheric condition' stimuli is also different to surface level recognition of stimuli that we would generally acknowledge.

We have a sense of what is going on in and around us and we process that, but when things in the atmospheric condition do not make sense to us, when the recognition of stimuli says one thing and our logical brain says another there is an 'upset' within our framing of reality. This absolutely can create sensations of confusion, put us 'off balance', and possibly induce panic in resistance to it.

For instance, if you look to the very first time you experienced a panic attack...

Was there a sensation that was 'alien' to you, or was it that you were recognising the processing of stimuli that was at odds with your logical reasoning?

A lot of our fearful sensations are in resistance to reality.

Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:56 pm
by rideforever
In your example, the sensations may actually prevent you from talking. So your theory is incomplete.

It is true that LOA doesn't "work" perfectly; because whilst you are doing LOA, so are a lot of other people. And so the resulting universe is a mixture of everyone's desires; whatever you wished for is mixed with what everyone else wished for.

But in a deeper way LOA doesn't work ... doesn't make you happy ... because it doesn't deal with the Real problem of man.

Man's problem is not that he doesn't get his desires.

It is because he doesn't know who he is.

Re: The Law Of Sensation

PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:41 am
by ashley72
rideforever wrote:Man's problem is not that he doesn't get his desires.

It is because he doesn't know who he is.


It's not because he doesn't know what they are...its because they carry a limited picture of what they are.

If someone has social anxiety, they have protective thoughts warning them against socialising. If they believe those protective thoughts, they end up inheriting behaviours that mimic or mirror those protective thoughts. This usually leads to social isolation for the someone suffering from social anxiety.

So how does one change limiting beliefs & behaviours?

They need to exchange protective thoughts for positive affirmations... And then accept the physical sensations that arise when holding onto those new positive affirmations.