slow ride wrote:I realize evidence is an overly strong word here as all is unprovable.
May I first suggest that we get a clear understanding on the nature of evidence and proof. Having worked in law enforcement for 10 plus years, most of it in an investigative capacity, I have a long relationship with evidence and proof. This is how I see it. For the most part proof is an opinion based on evidence. It may be an informed opinion, but it is opinion none the less.
Evidence comes in at least three categories: Hard evidence that can be physically tested, circumstantial evidence - that can be open to interpretation (such as a persons heart stopped
during which time he reported seeing visions), and anecdotal evidence that comes in the form of personal reports such as eyewitness testimony. Visions are anecdotal, happening when the heart stopped is circumstantial, a flat EKG or EEG is hard evidence.
Proof is a conclusion based on the evidence, and what is proof to one is not sufficient for another. History is filled with overturned proofs.
I am curious about the research done that found no evidence for other than intentional incarnation...
...If you ever felt inclined to share key sources from research that reinforce voluntarism, I'm interested.
There are many thousands of NDE reports. By one estimate nearly 600 per day in the USA alone. The depth and detail of many of these accounts offers a picture of the larger reality, and how our physical existence relates to it, that brings a fair quality of understanding as to how the overall system works as for as the why human incarnation exists and is chosen.
There is a long history of mediumship where again many thousands of cases reported information on non-physical reality.
There is considerable research and testimony on OBE's. Institutions such as the Monroe Institute train interested parties in OBE techniques. Also see the works of Thomas Campbell, a physicist who has written and interviewed extensively on the subject. Lots of his lectures on YouTube.
There are books and research from PHD hypnotherapists that regress subjects into past life and, more significantly, between life remembrances. See Michael Newton's Journey of Souls
and Destiny of Souls.
There are others.
Then there is the work of Dr Allan Botkin, a therapist who worked mainly with military PTSD patients and discovered a technique without hypnosis he calls IADC (Induced After Death Communication) that allowed sufferers to contact directly the deceased whose memories haunted them for years and decades. Many instant and lasting cures were reported. There's a good recent interview with him on After Death TV. Google it or search Youtube if you are interested.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. There are mountains of evidence to support a non-physical conscious reality. Is there proof? That depends on the one doing the considering. Understand, there are those who claim to research the matter, but other than a cursory look, really have done little to truly understand the possibilities, and are mostly unaware of the depth of the evidence. It's too often just easier for those invested in other ideologies to simply deny such evidence exists. The more one does there own in-depth exploration of the evidence however, the clearer it becomes when someone says there's nothing to it that they haven't really looked.
You must decide for yourself what is most likely the case. Even if it is just to gain a sense of what is most likely, each of us must do so for our own consideration. After decades of personal research, I can see a harmonious and sensible picture of how the interrelatedness works. And in all of that, I see a fundamental reality of free will that prevails in life, including the option
to incarnate physically. When that choice is made it is because it serves Us well - maybe not as seen from our human ego perspective, but is clear from the perspective of our True Self.
I think the sense of 'having' to incarnate is exclusively an ego perspective. No one wants to suffer pain. But it may be that we can live a human life, with all its unique possibilities without the pain. And maybe that's part of the exploration and adventure - to find our way to it. As eternal beings, a single human life is but a tiny fraction of the over all experience of life and being. Many such adventures (as the 'evidence' indicates), suggest that the added perspective to our overall conscious being is well worth the difficulties encountered.
Embrace the challenges, or run from them. The choice is ours.