Annoyance with conscientious people

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jtightlips21
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Annoyance with conscientious people

Post by jtightlips21 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:21 pm

I have found that I had started becoming annoyed with conscientious people the more conscientious I became myself. Even if I can value it in myself, I like it less when I see it in others. Yet I am not sure why concientiousness would even be a bad thing to begin with. I know that people can do bad things in the name of conscientiousness, but people can do bad things in the name of anything. I even have more respect for people doing some disservice due to lack of conscientiousness. For example, I have more respect for Donald Trump than I do Hilary Clinton, since Clintons speech comes off as being hyper-moralistic compared to Trump. And that is saying a lot since I am not a fan of Right Wing politics. Then I found I hated Al Quaeda more because they believed they were doing good. But this was after I had just come out of Fundamentalism myself, and saw the similar foundations fundamentalism has when goodness is relative to some arbitrary sky emperor who imposes severe penalties.

The form that I feel I despise the most is the moralistic form where people become concerned about other peoples moral conduct, where they think its their job to punish people for transgressions, and force them to behave. But this is only just out of moralistic ideologies without necessarily having a social interest or concern for the individuals welfare.

Now Ethics is a tricky one, where the interest is in the common good. For myself, I align closer to an individualistic form of ethics that permits people to do as they please, so long as they dont intrude on anothers individuality. So I tend to get annoyed with a conscienciousness where people think it is their job to enforce other particular ideals, such as political correctness or overprotection on the left or patriotism, religious orthodoxy or production on the right.

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Re: Annoyance with conscientious people

Post by RobS » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:58 pm

jtightlips21 wrote:I have found that I had started becoming annoyed with conscientious people the more conscientious I became myself. Even if I can value it in myself, I like it less when I see it in others. Yet I am not sure why concientiousness would even be a bad thing to begin with. I know that people can do bad things in the name of conscientiousness, but people can do bad things in the name of anything. I even have more respect for people doing some disservice due to lack of conscientiousness. For example, I have more respect for Donald Trump than I do Hilary Clinton, since Clintons speech comes off as being hyper-moralistic compared to Trump. And that is saying a lot since I am not a fan of Right Wing politics. Then I found I hated Al Quaeda more because they believed they were doing good. But this was after I had just come out of Fundamentalism myself, and saw the similar foundations fundamentalism has when goodness is relative to some arbitrary sky emperor who imposes severe penalties.

The form that I feel I despise the most is the moralistic form where people become concerned about other peoples moral conduct, where they think its their job to punish people for transgressions, and force them to behave. But this is only just out of moralistic ideologies without necessarily having a social interest or concern for the individuals welfare.

Now Ethics is a tricky one, where the interest is in the common good. For myself, I align closer to an individualistic form of ethics that permits people to do as they please, so long as they dont intrude on anothers individuality. So I tend to get annoyed with a conscienciousness where people think it is their job to enforce other particular ideals, such as political correctness or overprotection on the left or patriotism, religious orthodoxy or production on the right.
You’ll never find peace while you judge others. Accept people the way they are. Everybody’s has their own truth and each person is correct from their own POV. You are no more correct or wrong than anyone else. There is only one way out - acceptance and make peace with the fact that you both have your own truths. If you do this the struggle within you will stop, because you can’t struggle with something you have truly accepted.

Usually when we get annoyed at someone it is because something within is resonates with something in them. What is it in them that is in you...

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Re: Annoyance with conscientious people

Post by Thanawat13 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:30 am

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Guy Struggles
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Re: Annoyance with conscientious people

Post by Guy Struggles » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:03 pm

I might suggest tracking down ET's talks of 'the little me'. This was a 'golden gem' find for me as one who searched and searched for the reasons why people or that 'certain' person could anger or upset me SO MUCH. Well of course it is the still evident but dissolving 'little me' and the residual ego that will hang onto you for dear life as you get closer to the total dissolution of said ego and 'little me. Think of those 'top ten' people (or groups) that can *REALLY* get to you. In each and every case it is our 'little me' that is taking the bait. It is residual 'pain body' desperately grabbing for what little you are now giving it... you are in fact THROUGH your spirituality closer to *starving it to death* each and every day. Makes me think of these amazing souls that lose HUGE amounts of weight. What they had to do to lose that weight! Welp' this is how it can be with the ego. It is like a huge amount of fat that we must starve... to death. It takes some doing, but can be done.

A personal example.... I am going to an event in the not to distant future. There will be one certain person there that 'could' trigger me. Am I a bit apprehensive about it? Yes I am. BUT overriding this is the FACT that I only really cottoned onto over the last couple of weeks. It is ONLY my 'little me' and the attached/residual ego that 'could' see me go off the diet... IYKWIM. Ah! My little would say! YES... eat this up! A big pile of PAIN!!! Buy into the *trigger*!!! I-AM-STARVING-FOR-MORE-PAIN!. However I truly believe I'll get through this, in fact I'm learning to look forward to it because *I KNOW WHATS GOING ON NOW*. The 'little me' nor my ego is NOT my boss anymore. When we allow others to upset us, we allow the 'little me' as if a TERRIBLY spoilt rotten child to have its way, thus a good lesson (opportunity) is lost. The child doesn't learn a well needed lesson and it's behaviour becomes increasingly worse.

And a little more necessary clarification... ET does add that this doesn't mean you have to allow a lesser conscious person to walk all over you. The thing is to *respond* through consciousness and not to *react* through some god-awful knee-jerk show of unconsciousness that may leave you and those around you embarrassed and/or worse! (though that in itself is yet another level of ego) If you choose the option to respond through consciousness in a situation that has the potential to trigger YOU into unconsciousness you will chop through some of the final but most mighty sinews of tissue that attach your 'little me'... 'pain body'... unconsciousness... Reminds me of something ET said once... he called it the 'Sword of Consciousness'. Know when to use it! It's there at your disposal - you can grab it in 1/1000th of a second!!! which by the way is only about 1/999th faster than your anger (ego) will grab you SO BE DILLIGENT! Leave a little space and time to RESPOND... DO-NOT-REACT! :O]

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