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What is spiritual bypassing?

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:10 pm
by alchemizt
I can use self inquiry to not worry about things, when a stress/pain creating thought arises I can just watch it without identifying with it, without believing its some kinda absolute truth and like this the thought doesn't even touch me. I'm aware this is something loads of spiritual masters talk about but I be wondering how can I be sure this isn't spiritual bypassing? By spiritual bypassing I mean using spiritual beliefs to bypass having to face ones problems. In this case its more of a lack of belief, a lack of belief in the minds stories that enables me to not identify with those stories the mind creates, its a tricky one though because listening to spiritual masters like Eckhart Tolle definitely helped lead me to not take thoughts so seriously. Not taking thoughts so seriously seems to create less suffering. How can I be sure this isn't some kinda bypassing?

Re: What is spiritual bypassing?

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:07 am
by Webwanderer
alchemizt wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:10 pm
How can I be sure this isn't some kinda bypassing?
My take is that if it's a matter of avoidance then it may well be bypassing. If however, it's a matter of perceiving the thing or event that concerns you in a larger context, one that is inclusive of a larger spiritual nature, then it's likely not bypassing. What's it feel like when your quiet and not analyzing it to death? Another way to look at it is are you being inclusive, or exclusive to whatever arises in your life? Are you okay with it, or would you rather not think about it?

WW

Re: What is spiritual bypassing?

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:32 pm
by alchemizt
Webwanderer wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:07 am
alchemizt wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:10 pm
How can I be sure this isn't some kinda bypassing?
My take is that if it's a matter of avoidance then it may well be bypassing. If however, it's a matter of perceiving the thing or event that concerns you in a larger context, one that is inclusive of a larger spiritual nature, then it's likely not bypassing. What's it feel like when your quiet and not analyzing it to death? Another way to look at it is are you being inclusive, or exclusive to whatever arises in your life? Are you okay with it, or would you rather not think about it?

WW
The inner body meditation makes it a whole lot easier to let the emotions and thoughts pass through. I can anchor myself and when a negative thought comes in, I just watch it but don't "believe" in it like I used to, I just watch it knowing its just a thought. This isn't bypassing, I see what you mean when you use spiritual beliefs to avoid, thats when it becomes bypassing.

Re: What is spiritual bypassing?

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:38 pm
by alchemizt
When it comes to guilt, where does non identification come in? I was just observing guilt about a big mistake I made and struggling with not accepting myself because it damages my self image of being a good person and being worthy. I tried not identifying as this person that feels guilty and instantly felt a whole lot of relief. Im trying to see if this is bypassing or not. If not then holy shit what a tool that is. I naturally really want to redeem myself for the mistakes I made so the last thing I wanna do is bypass this one, I wanna be someone who makes the right choices in those situations.

Also what about teachers like Byron Katie? Is she teaching bypassing and avoidance? The method she talks about tends to be not believing your thoughts. She says about guilt that you had no choice but make the mistake cuz you were believing your thoughts at the time. It seems like an easy way out.

Re: What is spiritual bypassing?

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:40 pm
by Webwanderer
alchemizt wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:38 pm
Im trying to see if this is bypassing or not. If not then holy shit what a tool that is. I naturally really want to redeem myself for the mistakes I made so the last thing I wanna do is bypass this one, I wanna be someone who makes the right choices in those situations.

Also what about teachers like Byron Katie? Is she teaching bypassing and avoidance? The method she talks about tends to be not believing your thoughts. She says about guilt that you had no choice but make the mistake cuz you were believing your thoughts at the time. It seems like an easy way out.
The genuine desire to redeem yourself is good evidence of a lesson learned. Recognition of accountability is markedly different from denial and justification. Some things however, cannot be fixed. They are simply too far in the past and become part of our experiential makeup. That said they are always there to teach us if we are only willing to look with fresh eyes.

I would once again suggest that such a review is not wholly an intellectual exploration - and guilt is just as much a problem to overcome as the event itself. Thinking it through plays a part, but what do your feelings tell you? Our feelings is where true understanding arises.

Life is much about the growth of consciousness and being as a product of our life explorations from variously limited perspectives. What I mean is we are birthed into an atmosphere and environment that creates certain unique perspectives about the people and the world around us. These are by design limited. It's these limitations that offer experiences that would not be available short of those limitations. So in a larger context there is no right or wrong about the decisions we make. There is only the valuable experiences that are born of the process.

Our human brains, for the most part, are not capable of gaining clarity on their own. We think in logic and language and is therefore largely conceptual. Our feelings are our connection to our true nature and speak a language without words. It can take some time and practice to regain a familiarity with the language of insight, but it is in that alignment that we can recognize our best path in the choices we make.

WW