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Tolle video

Post by Intel » Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:32 am

Here is an Eckhart Tolle video. Its funny. In this video, he seems so normal. All that enlightenment stuff doesn't seem to matter. He's just a regular guy.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/02-ec ... 3557861645
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Post by eputkonen » Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:03 am

Intel wrote:Here is an Eckhart Tolle video. Its funny. In this video, he seems so normal. All that enlightenment stuff doesn't seem to matter. He's just a regular guy.
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Re: Tolle video

Post by happns » Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:45 am

Thanx Intel... I really enjoyed that...
I enjoyed reading your byline too LOL - and can only comment "depends on where've they been!!" if no issues - "fill your boots" :lol:
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Re: Tolle video

Post by AndyD » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:47 am

The first time I ever met an 'enlightened' person I spent a full day with him and his partner. The first thing that struck me was what a regular guy he was. After a while I noticed he was incredably peacefull, didn't try to impress me, didn't moan about anything, didn't judge things from emotional standpoints, impossible to argue with and more besides - unfortunetly NOT what is regular :wink: .

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Re: Tolle video

Post by Intel » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:00 am

I suppose thats what seperates your experience from mine. I've been around a few apparently enlightened individuals. Most were simply ordinary people. Nothing special whatsoever. They got angry, made judgements, and you could definately draw them into arguments.

Enlightenment isn't about achieving special qualities of not judging others, or loving unconditionally. It is simply the living realisation of oneness. It doesn't even make you a nicer person. You may become nicer after enlightenment, or you may not.

I did meet an enlightened person with an air of love and warmth about them, but I heard he had this quality years before he became enlightened. Therefore enlightenment has nothing to do with this aspect.
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Post by AndyD » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:32 am

Well I suppose that's where those apparantly enlightened individuals differ from Eckhart. In an interview Eckhart was asked if he ever got angry and he replied that he didn't as that would be arguing with what is. He also refers to aruging been the defense of self.

I have met other people that claim to be enlightened but exhibit massive egos, no different to the philsophers one comes across drunk in a bar occasionally.

Food for thought really.

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Re: Tolle video

Post by Intel » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:15 pm

Getting angry or defensive has nothing to do with enlightenment. Thats like asking if he wanted something to be different, and Eckhart replying no because that would be disagreeing with what is.

Enlightened people aren't super beings. They can get emotionally hurt, get angry, judge, act unkindly. Maybe Eckhart isn't like this, but Eckhart is only one man. Were all different, and enlightenment doesn't mean living up to an ideal of one person. It is only the realisation of oneness.
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Post by eputkonen » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:02 pm

Intel wrote:Getting angry or defensive has nothing to do with enlightenment. Thats like asking if he wanted something to be different, and Eckhart replying no because that would be disagreeing with what is.

Enlightened people aren't super beings. They can get emotionally hurt, get angry, judge, act unkindly. Maybe Eckhart isn't like this, but Eckhart is only one man. Were all different, and enlightenment doesn't mean living up to an ideal of one person. It is only the realisation of oneness.
"It is simply the living realisation of oneness."

If this is deeply realized and lived...not just a passing spiritual experience...then who is getting angry with whom? Who gets emotionally hurt and who did the hurting? Who is judging whom? It takes two.

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Re: Tolle video

Post by Intel » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:43 pm

No thats silly. Its like me asking an enlightened person if they want a cup of tea, and the enlightened person replying "Who is there to drink it?" Its nonsense.

Whether enlightened or not, this world will always appear dual. Therefore the functioning of your body-mind is able to act the same even after realisation. Who knows, you may become enlightened then feel a deep peace that never leaves, and become unmoved by any circumstance. Or you may become enlightened and act just as petty and miserable as you did before. Its unpredictable.
There is a story of a monk that was depressed and became enlightened. When asked if the depression left him, he replied that the depression remained, but it was simply a passing cloud in the sky.
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Post by eputkonen » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:40 pm

The world may appear dual...but that mirage no longer fools the enlightened.
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Re: Tolle video

Post by Intel » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:01 pm

Fooled or not, the world will only appear dual, and the functioning of the body-mind will always act dual. Enlightened or not.
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Post by eputkonen » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:06 pm

Intel wrote:Fooled or not, the world will only appear dual, and the functioning of the body-mind will always act dual. Enlightened or not.
You don't realize how much seeing through the illusion changes how the mind acts.
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Re: Tolle video

Post by PerryB » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:15 pm

I believe enlightenment does change you. One becomes calmer to the point of never getting angry. You can still feel pasionate about something but without judgement or a pushing of your opinion. I agree it does sound odd at first but when you see it practiced, it is hard to argue against. I used to be easily angered and head-strong, and now I'm completely calm. It's amazing and wonderful at the same time.
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Re: Tolle video

Post by Intel » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:25 pm

Perry you've proven my point. You are now more peaceful through practice, but you are not enlightened. Because enlightenment has nothing to do with emotions. Enlightenment doesn't change how the mind acts, the mind changes anyway. But enlightenment is beyond the mind. The mind does not get enlightened. It stays as it is. A tool for functioning in the world, whcih does not become in any way disabled through realisation.

Adyashanti once said something along the lines of "If being isn't allowed to dance, then it isn't enlightenment". What that means is, once you are enlightened, it doesn't limit the body-mind to simply expressing positive qualities. You will still experience all the emotions we associate with negativity such as anger, and you may even feel hate.

Enlightenment has nothing to do with the body-mind.
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Re: Tolle video

Post by rockchuk » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:51 am

Intel wrote:I suppose thats what seperates your experience from mine. I've been around a few apparently enlightened individuals. Most were simply ordinary people. Nothing special whatsoever. They got angry, made judgements, and you could definately draw them into arguments.
'apparently enlightened' is the key here. They werent. 'anger, judgement, arguing' is all ego. Ego has nothing to do with enlightenment. Cant comprehend it.

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