Sighclone wrote:7w –
Guru A seems more enlightened than Guru B. Maybe guru A’s eyes are deeper than Guru B’s. Maybe his voice is clearer. What is the real litmus test? There is not one, of course, because self-realization is something which happens in isolation, in the consciousness of one person. And there is no objective set EEG pattern to confirm any of it…or blood pH…or anything else except our intuition.
Observing behavior isn’t reliable either. Maharaj smoked. Ramanda read the paper and wrote poetry, Osho had many cars, Eckhart refuses cold soup, Adya eats meat and plays poker, OGK buys fresh vegetables.
The real litmus test is a knowing that cannot be explained. Not a knowing by the senses but once that knowing is established you can see it through the eyes of the guru, not what they do but how they do. It can never be explained in words. They could be shouting and swearing, smoking, drinking, eating meat, whatever... but that energy would be there constantly.
Sighclone wrote:I'm hearing a smart spiritual ego preparing to write a guidebook to the gurus, announcing which ones are FULLY realized, and which ones aren't. Backed up by either intuition or hard research (whatever that is in this realm.) This need is disguised, though, by "me trying to find myself." If you were truly searching for confirmation of your experiences and not just creating a hierarchy of enlightened beings, the individual teacher and his/her "status" would not matter at all, just the teaching.
I have written songs about this, and at one point wanted to put them out, which would have made sense for financial reasons and for career and to announce to the world "I have found something great here, come and listen". I knew deep down it wasn't right. I am not interested in bringing down gurus or claiming I know and you don't. All my interests have fallen away. Not in the sense I am a zombie, I am still capable of functioning, but I can't explain other than my life has become very simple. I say what I say, and I don't know why, and then it's finished. If I come back and read the next day I may or may not respond. I never know what I am going to say here - I don't have an agenda. You don't have to believe that.
Whatever you see in the other IS you and so to get to the core of yourself you must be able to see the pure "you" in the other
He says all the right things but something isn't right. The words seem 'flat' to me, like they carry no authority, it's somehow learnt.
Exactly. If I was on here trying to maintain a point of view I would be careful not to contradict myself like that. I am simply saying what I see. I'm not judging Adyashanti or trying to convince you. If you feel something from him you will ignore me anyway.