exhausted from trying to convey "the now"

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Re: exhausted from trying to convey "the now"

Post by gdvant » Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:03 am

thenow wrote:
Onceler wrote:
Help them, only if it helps you. If it helps you, it helps them and all of us.

What we ordinarily call help is effort aimed at bringing about a result in
time. But what is a result is thought-derived and hence not presence.
Through negation of the false, the other is; presence is realized. To
negate the false is to investigate the contents of consciousness and
perceive the false that is arising as false. Nothing is being added.

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Re: exhausted from trying to convey "the now"

Post by Onceler » Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:25 am

gdvant wrote:
thenow wrote:
Onceler wrote:
Help them, only if it helps you. If it helps you, it helps them and all of us.

What we ordinarily call help is effort aimed at bringing about a result in
time. But what is a result is thought-derived and hence not presence.
Through negation of the false, the other is; presence is realized. To
negate the false is to investigate the contents of consciousness and
perceive the false that is arising as false. Nothing is being added.
I have no idea what that means, but it sounds right.
Be present, be pleasant.

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Re: exhausted from trying to convey "the now"

Post by gdvant » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:48 am

gv: What we ordinarily call help is effort aimed at bringing about a result in
time. But what is a result is thought-derived and hence not presence.
Through negation of the false, the other is; presence is realized. To
negate the false is to investigate the contents of consciousness and
perceive the false that is arising as false. Nothing is being added.[/quote]

I have no idea what that means, but it sounds right.[/quote]

gv: Let's go into it. Presence is our inner-most nature. It is now in the
sense that it is the timeless actuality. So what is it to be caught in time,
in what is false or not actual? It is a form of distraction that dominates
consciousness so we lose touch with the timeless dimension.

So man's consciousness is in disorder and the disorder involves a form
of inattention or non-presence. But in attending to the inattention that
is characteristic of the thought-derived self, there is space for what is
not of thought, to reveal itself. So what 'helps' is not understanding
the unconditioned, but rather seeing into the conditioned mind.

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Re: exhausted from trying to convey "the now"

Post by Onceler » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:48 pm

Thank-you.
Be present, be pleasant.

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Re: exhausted from trying to convey "the now"

Post by Mina » Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:31 pm

Hello all,

"Exhausted from trying to convey "the now" "

Having read those words it was immediately felt that there could never be exhaustion in that which is inexhaustible. Yes, that is it. One feels one does not have to separate oneself from one's very Being "in order to convey something", which implies some kind of effort/resistance and in the long run perhaps exhaustion. It is seen that it is One('s) Being in itself what is being conveyed or conveys itself unconditionally to all. "Love and do what you want."

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Re: exhausted from trying to convey "the now"

Post by thenow » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:59 pm

Mina wrote:Hello all,

"Exhausted from trying to convey "the now" "

Having read those words it was immediately felt that there could never be exhaustion in that which is inexhaustible. Yes, that is it. One feels one does not have to separate oneself from one's very Being "in order to convey something", which implies some kind of effort/resistance and in the long run perhaps exhaustion. It is seen that it is One('s) Being in itself what is being conveyed or conveys itself unconditionally to all. "Love and do what you want."
Yes, this is an catchy title, isn't it? :shock: :lol:

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