Being Good and Being Spiritual by Ameeta

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Being Good and Being Spiritual by Ameeta

Post by Juno » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:21 am

This is so good I had to post it.

Being good and being spiritual
Oddly enough, sometimes being true to oneself and being good can be 2 different things. :-)

Most human beings, including the spiritual seeker, have a certain common idea of what it means to be good, - to be a good person. A good person is one who is kind and considerate, loving and generous, good-tempered and helpful. When a person is unkind or angry or unhelpful, we don't think of that person as being so good. Is this not true?

These are very deeply entrenched beliefs in the human psyche.

One can describe the spiritual path as one where all beliefs come undone. - Even the most widely held, universally claimed and deeply entrenched ones - such as what it means to be good.

Through my own experience and that of those I am with, I find that most spiritual seekers have a very strong resistance to the dropping of this belief in being good. We equate being spiritual with being very good. How can it be otherwise? We have heard and read of saints and sages and Gods who personify and embody the good virtues listed above. So it comes as a bit of a shock when we are nudged to see that even being good, in the commonly accepted human sense, can be simply another belief. And we are frightened of seeing through this belief. This is very natural. The fear is that if this belief drops away then we will somehow be bad people, or, at the very least our bad side will show up more. We think that our belief in being good is what keeps the bad demons away. We don't want to be bad and we don't want to be seen to be bad. We don't want to hurt ourselves or the other. So we cling to this belief in being good.

Does any of this strike a chord so far?

Now I am not saying that being good is bad. :-) Infact this belief can arise in great innocence, and is very well-intentioned. And who among us would not prefer 'good' behavior to 'bad' behavior? But good and bad are ideas too and all ideas are eventually seen through. So I am simply saying that when we no longer resist seeing this apparently difficult truth, then this belief can be seen through.

When we cling to the belief in being good, we are basically insuring ourselves from finding out our bad side. So the belief in being good is fuelled by a fear of discovering how bad we may actually be. The belief in being good is rooted in fear. And fear is rooted in separation. Only one that believes herself to be separate, is fearful for herself.

So let's take a minute to see how this belief in being good plays out in our lives.

We try to be good. We curb what arises naturally and try to make it conform with our idea of good. We censor our words and actions. We speak lies to avoid uncomfortable truths. We live lies to fend off inconvenient truths. We blame ourselves and others when badness escapes our watch anyways and manifests as anger or unkindness. We feel conflicted inside, over our actions, and the actions of others. We feel like we must be on constant guard. We feel tense and constrained in body and mind. We feel superior to the less good people. We build up our image of virtuosity and feel inflated by it. And then we feel deflated when we slip into the slightest deviation. And on and on.

Curiously the belief never really sets out to achieve what it intends. Does it? Look within yourself. Do you believe in being good as a credo? Has it effectively stopped you from being 'bad'? Of course the mind's comeback is that although it doesn't stop badness, it keeps it in check. Yes? No - that is not my experience and if you are interested, I invite you to discover what is really true for you, beyond what mind says. You may be very surprised by what you discover.

For the spiritual seeker, there is the added issue of spiritual image. How can one be spiritual and bad at the same time? No, no - one must avoid being bad and being seen to be bad. That would not be spiritual at all. So we hold back and pull back and perpetuate this violence upon ourselves and others, all in the service of this belief in being good.

Why do I call it violence? When we resist something using force, it is violence, is it not? And when we force ourselves to act good, it is violence upon ourselves. When we force others to be good as per our ideas of good, we are being violent towards them. I am not saying it is right or wrong. But it is violence. And we can see for ourselves how this violence feels inside us and how it affects the other.

Yet, all the time, despite the extent of our suffering around this belief, we feel a certain sense of relief and validation that at least we are trying to be good, just like everyone around us. There is a safety about this trying, because it brings us membership to the human club. This sustains the belief. No need to blame ourselves for this - this just happens. Our need for safety and affiliation is so strong that we are willing to pay a very very high price for it. Until we are not.

When we are no longer willing to pay this high price, we are willing to look deeply into this belief. We are willing to confront the fear that upholds annd perpetuates this belief and all its suffering. We are willing to see that good and bad are both only ideas based on a certain perspective. We see that when we accept living in fear and suffering, then we feed that fear and suffering in everyone around us. This is a gut-wrenching discovery that brings us to our knees. It turns our world upside-down. For we see that our very attempts to not harm, when frozen into this belief in being good, can generate suffering within and without! When this belief dissolves, humility and gratitude flow. Fear starts to be dislodged and freedom begins to take its place. This is the freedom of one who no longer believes herself to be separate from the flow of life and all that it brings.

The belief in being good drops away. And the wisdom of the moment is free to arise. This is the wisdom of wholeness. It may express itself as love, kindness, compassion, understanding, appreciation, gratitude and peace. But make no mistake, nothing is exempt from this freedom; nothing is denied. So anger may arise too. But it is not held back from fear and so it is free to serve its purpose and pass, in freedom. And when we live in this freedom and act from it, then the freedom radiates out, and everything and everyone around us can be free too. This is to be true to ourselves.

Images arise:

Lord Brahma creating the world and Lord Shiva destroying it,

Jesus Christ on the cross and Jesus Christ dealing with the money-lenders,

Kanzeon, the Bodhisattva of compassion and Manjushri wielding the sword.

All in service to the truth.
by thinking of something you create an entity and by thinking of nothing you create another. Let such erroneous thinking perish utterly, and then nothing will remain for you to go seeking!
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Post by sevenworlds » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:32 am

Yes, all of this is really about something very simple which we've managed to turn into something incredibly complicated - being yourself.

Being yourself means just that. It isn't about being good or a bad but being natural. When you find the source of yourself (and all of this world), all that's left to do while you are in this human form is to allow it to play out and express itself without 'you' getting in the way. Every human form is completely unique. We may all come from the same source and have the same wisdom in common but in human form there is nobody else like you. We all have unique backgrounds and when you discover what you are, it is this background which is all that is left to express.

For whatever reason we've forever been presented with the 'saintly' side of those who've made this discovery in the past. Whether they really were 'saintly' in all their deeds and actions or whether history has left out the 'bad bits' we'll never really know. Yet because part of the spiritual search usually involves reading and acquiring more knowledge about these figures we often don't realise we get programmed to believe in a certain behaviour pattern that a spiritual figure must adhere to. Ramana Maharshi is often held up as the great sage of the 20th century, as if he is somehow above the others, because to the human mind he fitted that programmed behaviour pattern most accurately.

Anger is only a form of energy. Anger when it's completely free to express can be very useful. There are certain situations where anger or hardness can be very powerful and bring about rewarding outcomes. Destruction is a very positive force because creation comes out of it. You can't have one without the other. Some dogs bark a lot while others are totally placid. We have to be as natural as animals but our society has moulded us and forced us to fit into certain frameworks. In any given situation all responses must be available and free to express otherwise it is not being yourself.

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Post by kiki » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:46 am

Wonderful post, sevenworlds.
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Post by Juno » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:03 am

Thanks Sevenworlds for the added input.
by thinking of something you create an entity and by thinking of nothing you create another. Let such erroneous thinking perish utterly, and then nothing will remain for you to go seeking!
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Post by James » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:05 am

That's well put Juno. Who is Ameeta?

It seems a better guiding system in life is whether we are suffering or not. Delusion equals suffering, whether that delusion is a positive one or a negative one. Apparently we are hooked up to suffer sooner or later, whenever we believe or fall for what is not real or untrue.

Well written post from sevenworlds too.

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Post by Sighclone » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:00 pm

We cannot read all of Ramana or Nisargadatta without hearing dismissive tones, even anger. We cannot watch Adya without seeing misused attempts at humor (often corrected mid-sentence!) I distinctly remember one video of a woman who needed some help and he was being flippant and cheery...she was saddened...then he looked at her and saw that he was ineffective and immediately emanated pure love and she burst into tears...(of joy). Eckhart mentioned anger and near action based on that while watching people hit a dog (fourth or fifth Oprah webinar.) (Someone else stepped in as he was about to act.)

As beautifully put by sevenworlds, and Popeye, "I yam what I yam." We have this collection of "me pieces," sw says "background." It's the residue of personality...the "uniqueness." On p. 259 of ANE, ET suggests that the first stages of enlightenment may come to the sinner before the saint.

But I think that what is "natural" on one day of our life may not be "natural" on another. We do change. That is true for everyone, self-realized or not. Change is natural.

Namaste,

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Post by Plorel » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:43 pm

Interesting post.
It seems it all comes down to dissolving the stories around good and bad, right and wrong, live and death until we only see god in everything.

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I am very pround I answered the "I am no bot" question correct :D
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Post by James » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:03 pm

Thanks Andy "I yam what I yam." It is all the same truth whether it is uttered by Sailor Bob or Popeye the Sailor Man. (Though I actually prefer sweet potatoes :wink:)

Life would be rather dull without variety and diversity?

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Post by Juno » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:24 pm

This is Ameeta's blog page. She's wonderful. More stuff to read.

http://www.miraszblog.blogspot.com/
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Post by Sighclone » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:00 pm

James:

How can you say that??? Sweet potatoes??? What is Wrong with you??? Yams are the only Truth. You need to get Enlightened. There is only one Path!! (etc...etc...)

:mrgreen:
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PS - hey Juno - thanks for the link to Ameeta! - good expressions there!!

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Post by Juno » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:19 pm

You're welcome you big Yam!
by thinking of something you create an entity and by thinking of nothing you create another. Let such erroneous thinking perish utterly, and then nothing will remain for you to go seeking!
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