I Don't Understand

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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby James » Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:22 pm

tricianc,

If you are still around, enjoy your journey.

Here are a few thoughts you may (or may not) want to take with you. This excerpt below seems apropos, and a good reminder for me as well; and perhaps others here who may at times lose sight of the pointers by getting lost in thinking too much about the words and concepts they hear.

Eckhart is not asking anyone to believe him or to make a new religion out what he says, that is missing the point. He is offering tools that help discover what is true for oneself. But to do so one must be open to this discovery of truth. In other words one neither believes nor disbelieves what they read or hear. It may resonate or it may not, either way it is fine, but let the truth be revealed from within. One is always free to explore whatever version of truth that resonates or speaks directly to them, although all teachings are at best relative approximations of reality. One is also free to ignore truth, which most will do until ignoring truth is no longer fun. And that's ok too, it's neither bad nor good, it's just the way it happens, although there may be consequences to ignoring truth, which is all part of the learning process.

You may find that inner stillness is a universal language that transcends all traditions, and is the portal to experience directly what is absolutely true. This inner stillness is always present even when there is noise or thinking, but we usually don't recognize it. All that is required is a sincere willingness or interest in truth. Perhaps what you are experiencing is fear of the unknown, it's a very common reaction. It may be helpful to know "Nothing real can be threatened, nothing unreal exists."

Take Care

From Tolle's Stillness Speaks- Introduction


A true spiritual teacher does not have anything to teach in the conventional sense of the word, does not have anything to give or add to you, such as new information, beliefs, or rules of conduct. The only function of such a teacher is to help you remove that which separates you from the truth of who you already are and what you already know in the depth of your being. The spiritual teacher is there to uncover and reveal to you that dimension of the inner depth that is also peace.

If you come to a spiritual teacher or this book looking for stimulating ideas, theories, beliefs, intellectual discussions, then you will be disappointed. In other words, if you are looking for food for thought, you won't find it. And you will miss the very essence of the teaching, the essence of this book which is not in the words but within yourself. It is good to remember that, to feel that, as you listen. The words are no more than signposts. That to which they point is not to be found within the realm of thought but a dimension within yourself that is deeper, and infinitely vaster than thought. A vibrantly alive peace is one of the characteristics of that dimension. So whenever you feel inner peace arising as you listen, the book is doing it work and fulfilling its function as your teacher. It is reminding you of who you are and pointing the way back home.

This is not a book to be read from cover to cover and then put away. Live with it. Pick it up frequently. And, more importantly, put it down frequently. Or spend more time holding it than reading it. Many readers will feel naturally inclined to stop reading after each entry, to pause, reflect, become still. It is always more helpful and more important to stop reading than to continue reading. Allow the book to do its work, to awaken you from the old groves of your repetitive and conditioned thinking.

The form of this book can be seen as a revival for the present age of the oldest form of recorded spiritual teachings, the sutras of ancient India. Sutras are powerful pointers to the truth in the form of aphorisms or short sayings with little conceptual elaboration. The Vedas and Upanishads are the early sacred teachings recorded in the form of sutras, as are the words of the Buddha. The sayings and parables of Jesus, too, when taken out of their narrative context could be regarded as sutras as well as the profound teachings contained in the Tao Te Ching, the ancient Chinese book of wisdom. The advantage of the sutra form lies in its brevity. It does not engage the thinking mind more than is necessary. What it doesn't say, but only points to, is more important than what it says. The sutra-like character, of the writings in this book is particularly marked in chapter 1, Silence and Stillness, which contains only the briefest of entries. This chapter contains the essence of the entire book and may be all that some readers require. The other chapters are there for those who need a few more signposts.

Just like the ancient sutras, the writings contained within this book are sacred and have come out of a state of consciousness we may call stillness. Unlike those sutras, however, they don't belong to any one religion or spiritual tradition, but are immediately accessible to the whole of humanity. There is also an added sense of urgency here. The transformation of human consciousness is no longer a luxury, so to speak, available only to a few, isolated individuals, but a necessity if human kind is not to destroy itself. At the present time, the dysfunction of the old consciousness and the arising of the new are both accelerating. Paradoxically, things are getting worse and better at the same time, although the worse is more apparent because it makes so much noise.

This book, of course, uses words that in the act of reading or listening, become thoughts in your mind. But those are not ordinary thoughts: repetitive, noisy, selfserving, clamoring for attention. Just like every true spiritual teachers, just like the ancient sutras, the thoughts within this book don't say “look at me", but “look beyond me.” Because the thoughts came out of stillness, they have power, the power to take you back into the same stillness from which they arose. That stillness is also inner peace. And that stillness and peace is the essence of your being. It is the stillness that will save and transform the world.
-Eckhart Tolle
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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby SirNikalot » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:02 am

I like how Andy said something about accepting the totality of our humanity, the good and the bad. I like to fight my own feelings, I'm pretty sure that THAT is the root of what is causing me so much pain, anxiety, self-doubt, depression, low self-esteem, and a shit load of other neuroses. That statement sounds so much easier to grasp then all of the concepts that Eckhart and other teachers use about "the ego" and all that surrounds it, why not just stick to that one statement of accepting the good and the bad, it seems so much simpler that way.
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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby mukau » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:12 pm

HI tricianc
You should listen to a few of ETs 'live' retreats. At times, all he does is laugh and chuckle :-) :lol:
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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby haniwow » Sun May 02, 2010 3:55 pm

To be honest, A New Earth did not have the same impact on me as PON. Tolle's info is not HIS! It's a copulation of many teachings that all lead to the same place. I flip flop between Tolle and Joel Goldsmith who is all about the NOW coming mostly from Jesus' teachings. I know.. don't cringe. Goldsmith was a Jew who wanted to find out about Jesus' teachings and got it. He got the pure teachings which all point to living in the NOW and being... being I AM. I know Tolle was heavily influenced by Goldsmith and on Oprah he even suggested that a Catholic woman who couldn't rap her head around Tolle's teachings read Goldsmith. There are others. It does become very difficult, and I like your honesty about not getting it. You can get things on many levels. It's layered. You can have an intellectual understanding, a superficial understanding and then there's being. And being brings with it peace. You're like a child again. No worries. If you're happy and a memory pops up that makes you laugh, that's fine. As Miguel Ruiz says, they are just symbols floating in your brain, sometimes you enjoy them and sometimes you don't. I like to be detached from the ones that cause me pain. There's a peace that being in the moment brings and it helps with anxiety and worry. Who wants that in their lives? Don't you have any anxiety and worries about something. Don't you have reactions that are unpleasant because of what life or people do to you? Well all that pain can be eliminated. The whole point about living in the NOW is to not have pain! Hello! Who doesn't want that? They all call it: The end of suffering.
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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby myke7777 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:43 am

The ego allows us to 'turn away from the Father.' This is needed so that our return journey home 'our awakening' is that much greater of a realization. Enjoy the ego as you'd enjoy being an actor in a play. Just don't forget who is under the costume.
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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby Jman » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:04 pm

I can see why tricianc might find it depressing. If the mind isn't causing a problem where is the motivation to realise your true nature ?

Tolle isn't about smashing the ego or stopping thinking permanently. As Adyshanti once said even enlightened people have egos, the difference is they know that is not who they are. If you read the PON Tolle says he alternates between thought and no thought, he lives in the present but can use the mind when needed.

Tolle is about realising you are not the ego and living life in the present. The only way you can bring presence into the foreground of your experiance is to silence the compulsive thinking.
Whoever knows contentment will be at peace forever. - Tao Te Ching 46
That which offers no resistance, overcomes the hardest substances - Tao Te Ching 43
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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby Blenderhead » Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:01 pm

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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby ashley72 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:51 am

In the end you need to drop all the books and just experience the stillness of Being. If you don't do that you've really missed the whole point of the spiritual teachings of Tolle. I do this myself with a few different portals depending on the situation, one of the best ways I find.... is to go for a nature walk or run and be as spatially aware of the trees, flowers & wildlife as possible. Don't focus on the forms (objects) but the space around them.... the no-thingness. At the same time you may notice your inner-body connecting with the stillness. The external world acts like a mirror with the internal sensations. Basically this practice is making you aware of something very important... the mind loves to react to forms. By reacting with the no-thingness externally the space around forms, your inner world starts to create space around the thoughts and feelings... this leads to a inner-body feeling of tranquility.

You can also be more spatially aware driving the car, when your stopped at lights or intersection... become conscious of the space around cars and objects as well. Particular if you feel hurried....this can help to de-stress and stop you worrying about being late to your desination.

Another way is to listen to music just before you sleep. Music with flutes, piano, ... new age, classical music. As you listen...try and notice the gaps between the sounds (the no-thingness), again this helps you connect with the no-thingness and again will free up space within. I find you fall to sleep very quickly. The mind calms and thoughts just switch off.

In busy environments. like shopping malls I try and keep rooted with the inner body as often as possible and just be aware of how I'm feeling on occassions. Its by far the hardest situation to stay connected with stillness, because of the large and continous amount of forms and content to interact with. If I notice myself judging situations or things, I just notice and acknowledge that its just a thought and not something which really has much weight in the scheme of things.

Another good practice is to promote conscious eating... I try and stay very conscious whilst eating, taking in all the flavour sensations, smells, textures and bodily feelings. This is very beneficial for also preventing emotional eating and over-eating. I find I'm a lot more satisfied eating this way.
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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby Sighclone » Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:41 am

Great comments, Ashley -- thank you!

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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby Blenderhead » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:32 am

i agree :)
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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby kiki » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:02 pm

Great post, Ashley.
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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby WnC » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:59 pm

ashley72 wrote:In the end you need to drop all the books and just experience the stillness of Being. If you don't do that you've really missed the whole point of the spiritual teachings of Tolle. I do this myself with a few different portals depending on the situation, one of the best ways I find.... is to go for a nature walk or run and be as spatially aware of the trees, flowers & wildlife as possible. Don't focus on the forms (objects) but the space around them.... the no-thingness. At the same time you may notice your inner-body connecting with the stillness. The external world acts like a mirror with the internal sensations. Basically this practice is making you aware of something very important... the mind loves to react to forms. By reacting with the no-thingness externally the space around forms, your inner world starts to create space around the thoughts and feelings... this leads to a inner-body feeling of tranquility.

You can also be more spatially aware driving the car, when your stopped at lights or intersection... become conscious of the space around cars and objects as well. Particular if you feel hurried....this can help to de-stress and stop you worrying about being late to your desination.

Another way is to listen to music just before you sleep. Music with flutes, piano, ... new age, classical music. As you listen...try and notice the gaps between the sounds (the no-thingness), again this helps you connect with the no-thingness and again will free up space within. I find you fall to sleep very quickly. The mind calms and thoughts just switch off.

In busy environments. like shopping malls I try and keep rooted with the inner body as often as possible and just be aware of how I'm feeling on occassions. Its by far the hardest situation to stay connected with stillness, because of the large and continous amount of forms and content to interact with. If I notice myself judging situations or things, I just notice and acknowledge that its just a thought and not something which really has much weight in the scheme of things.

Another good practice is to promote conscious eating... I try and stay very conscious whilst eating, taking in all the flavour sensations, smells, textures and bodily feelings. This is very beneficial for also preventing emotional eating and over-eating. I find I'm a lot more satisfied eating this way.


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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby beginnersmind » Fri May 16, 2014 1:06 pm

ashley72 wrote:In the end you need to drop all the books and just experience the stillness of Being. If you don't do that you've really missed the whole point of the spiritual teachings of Tolle. I do this myself with a few different portals depending on the situation, one of the best ways I find.... is to go for a nature walk or run and be as spatially aware of the trees, flowers & wildlife as possible. Don't focus on the forms (objects) but the space around them.... the no-thingness. At the same time you may notice your inner-body connecting with the stillness. The external world acts like a mirror with the internal sensations. Basically this practice is making you aware of something very important... the mind loves to react to forms. By reacting with the no-thingness externally the space around forms, your inner world starts to create space around the thoughts and feelings... this leads to a inner-body feeling of tranquility.

You can also be more spatially aware driving the car, when your stopped at lights or intersection... become conscious of the space around cars and objects as well. Particular if you feel hurried....this can help to de-stress and stop you worrying about being late to your desination.

Another way is to listen to music just before you sleep. Music with flutes, piano, ... new age, classical music. As you listen...try and notice the gaps between the sounds (the no-thingness), again this helps you connect with the no-thingness and again will free up space within. I find you fall to sleep very quickly. The mind calms and thoughts just switch off.

In busy environments. like shopping malls I try and keep rooted with the inner body as often as possible and just be aware of how I'm feeling on occassions. Its by far the hardest situation to stay connected with stillness, because of the large and continous amount of forms and content to interact with. If I notice myself judging situations or things, I just notice and acknowledge that its just a thought and not something which really has much weight in the scheme of things.

Another good practice is to promote conscious eating... I try and stay very conscious whilst eating, taking in all the flavour sensations, smells, textures and bodily feelings. This is very beneficial for also preventing emotional eating and over-eating. I find I'm a lot more satisfied eating this way.



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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby Maire » Sat May 17, 2014 7:02 pm

It appears this thread dates back three years ago - some people seem to have changed their minds! I was interested in the comparison with Wayne Dyer who I am also a fan of. There is a difference in the approach - Wayne is more about positive thinking and making positive change in your life, yet when I read Tolle many things reminded me of ideas I had read many years ago in Wayne Dyer's books - because one strong theme that underlies his teaching is the idea that the universe is synchronized. I am rereading one at the moment as it happens - called "Real Magic".

When I picked up the book "The Secret" in the bookshop (I checked it out because it was mentioned here) my main thought was "what? this is no secret. Wayne's been saying this and saying it better for many years." Ditto Norman Vincent Peale and many more. Shakti Gawain and Creative Vizualisation - has anyone read her books? There are many authors spinning up the same old themes and making them their own, maybe with a slightly different slant. My all-time favourite is Deepak Chopra but his teaching would be closer to Eckhart Tolle than the others. I don't know how anyone could call A New Earth negative, surely it is the opposite. It goes to show how different egos can change something by their interpretation. Just to be clear, I put "The Secret" back on the shelf. Well, I might give it a try some time - I suppose my life situation could do with a mansion, a nice car, lots of money, etc., etc.
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Re: I Don't Understand

Postby ashley72 » Sat May 17, 2014 11:01 pm

Marie,

Firstly, our brains are constantly computing. That's what brains do.

We also constantly breathing to stay alive as biological agents. You also have to constantly feed this biological agent because of all this constant breathing and thinking.... otherwise you will waste away and the activity of breathing & thinking won't persist. You can not escape these realities of being human. There is no such thing as complete stillness when it comes to being a living human being.

However, do I still hold the same views above 3 years later. Absolutely, You can drop all the books and just experience a certain inner stillness. You can meditated or do inner body meditation and feel a different perspective to one when your stewing over "momentarily" problems mentally.

If you close your eyes and follow the breath, one can feel an inner stillness.

I still go for bush walks in nature and just take it all in without trying to understand any of it.

Do I think that Consciousness is Universal. No I don't believe this is possible based on what the science is saying.

Do I think that my Consciousness has anything to do with your Consciousness. No I don't believe so.

Ive probably felt first-hand what Tolle was pointing towards probably far better experientially than most. :wink:

What I'm saying here is what Tolle referred to as a 1-to-1 isomorphism between the external world and the internal mental mapping.

Our brains think by analogy.

. Don't focus on the forms (objects) but the space around them.... the no-thingness. At the same time you may notice your inner-body connecting with the stillness. The external world acts like a mirror with the internal sensations. Basically this practice is making you aware of something very important... the mind loves to react to forms. By reacting with the no-thingness externally the space around forms, your inner world starts to create space around the thoughts and feelings... this leads to a inner-body feeling of tranquility.


Our minds or neural networks are computing billions of action potentials (electrical wave signals). The external world is comprised of the wave structure of matter.

Do you know when a photon comes in thru your pupil it is a travelling wave?

It hits photoreceptors that create action-potentials that are also travelling wave signals?

The external world to the internal mental world is mappings between electromagnetic waves & electro-chemical waves.
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