In a way it was holographic in itself (isn't it always!!)
I thought it was funny (ironic / amusing) that Snowy mused It's funny that...
For me these things - the ironic / amusing are the things that by their very nature, there can be no definitive or easy way to describe the 'feeling', it's right brain looking at the left brain. And right brain is crap at finding the right words, but if you give the task to left brain it makes it too definitive and concrete and it loses the 'feeling' aspect.
I did like Rach's suggestion because when we 'relax' we shift from wholly analytical left brain processing to include the energies of right brain embracing > it leaves room for nuance and atmosphere, even if it doesn't provide the words to describe or articulate it to the left brain, we still make 'meaning' of stuff in a wider context.
What makes no sense in resistance, finds its balance in acceptance, even if it's wordless.
Ironically it's the same with science and consciousness, form and formless - co-existence and co creation rather than one or the other being the whole and soul/sole of stuff. The arguments that criticise one or the other are actually using the same rationale and 'tools', as the one they're criticising. That's the holographic irony.
To use the television set analogy - if one is on one 'channel' one is seeing / hearing / experiencing a different 'version' of whatever to someone on another channel. If one steps back (relaxes their grip on their own perspective) and sees all the channels are operating simultaneously, then one sees the connections within the separations are also the connections of the separations - it's co-creation and co-existence intertwined.Snowy said:
It's funny to note that even denying the possibility of objectifying the commonality of our perspectives involves objectifying it.
One could then see that there is no concept of consciousness outside of science (to give it the label), and no science outside of consciousness (to give it the ‘form’) simultaneously - they're all just 'labels', created productions / dramas / sitcoms / romances / fairy tales / documentaries / soap operas and 'reality' shows dependent upon which channel we're tuning into in this moment.
The 'other channels' are just playing different programs, all simultaneously.
Honesty is the highest form of loveSnowy said: Also there's a distinct lack of concern over here right now at not being comprehended unless there's a clear vector on the part of the one who didn't understand to want to understand.