What does oneness mean to you?

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What does oneness mean to you?

Post by Ervin » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:46 pm

I do believe that everything is connected and that we all come from the same source. However, I am not sure if we are all one, anyway, what does oneness mean to you?

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Re: What does oneness mean to you?

Post by Webwanderer » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:21 pm

I don't know if oneness can be known from a general human perspective. Living a human experience is separation by design. The closest one might come to oneness would be in moments where our human context is transcended. Many NDE's, advanced OBE'rs, and skilled meditator's have shared their experience in oneness, but to anyone without conscious experience, it comes across as conceptual. What does an orange taste like to one who has only heard a description? Still, such accounts are immensely valuable as pointers toward our true essence of life and being, and are strong incentive to open ourselves to such fundamental nature.

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Re: What does oneness mean to you?

Post by rachMiel » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:25 pm

Great question, Ervin.

To me, oneness is an attitude. A willingness to look at what connects rather than what divides, the whole rather than the parts. This attitude can come from different sources. Some might have a direct experience of oneness, others might have an intellectual Aha! of oneness from something they read or heard or thought, others might just try oneness on for size to see if it takes, and so on.
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Re: What does oneness mean to you?

Post by runstrails » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:17 pm

Good question and nice discussion so far!

For me oneness is the understanding that there are no two things here. That is, by definition, nothing that exists can be separate from existence (or awareness). So its not that you and I are ‘one’—rather that neither of us is separate from the awareness which allows our existence. I actually prefer to think of it as ‘not two’ or ‘no second thing’ rather than ‘oneness’.

A good analogy would be gold which is shaped into ornaments. The ornaments are all different--but they are all 'one' in the sense that they are all made of gold (which is their true nature).

Or the wave analogy: The waves in the ocean are indeed different (in the sense they each have their own trajectories), but they cannot be different from the water of which they are made. It's not like there is a 'wave' and there is water which is separate from the wave. There is 'no second thing' (or 'advaita').

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Post by eputkonen » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:28 pm

Ervin wrote:I do believe that everything is connected and that we all come from the same source. However, I am not sure if we are all one, anyway, what does oneness mean to you?

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I spoke about this very thing in a recent blog post I wrote - http://www.engagednonduality.com/what-d ... ally-mean/

My understanding is that you and I are literally not two. Not two is the direct meaning of nonduality.

I am not denying that there are two patterns in the one manifesting as two body/minds. However, it is only within the mind that we separate into two and this illusion is maintained through ignorance. Because there are discernible patterns within nonduality does not mean that there is separation. Like a magnet, there is a north pole and a south pole…this can be discerned…however there is never a north pole without a south pole. You can’t really divide or separate them. The one implies the other…they go together.
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Re: What does oneness mean to you?

Post by jukai » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:10 am

I think I would define oneness in terms of what it is not, i.e. its opposite. The opposite of oneness is being torn, conflicted, or ambivalent.

When one is unconscious, one is often ambivalent - torn between two opposing states or courses of action:
- Do I want to live or do I want to die ?
- Am I an idealist or am I a realist ?
- Do I hate myself or love myself ? Do I hate my family or do I love my family ?
- Am I weak or am I strong ?
- Am I a good (doctor/engineer/teacher/...) or a bad one ?
- Should I invest in xyz stock or is it too risky ?

Such polarities can really tear at a person's mind and the resulting emotions can wreak havoc on the body.

But, when one is conscious, all these polarities suddenly disappear, and there is a certain state of unity that has no opposite. There is no ambivalence, no conflict. Just peace. This is what I would call oneness.

So, I guess oneness to me is an inner state that is not torn, conflicted, or ambivalent.
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Re: What does oneness mean to you?

Post by Onceler » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:24 pm

I like a lot of these answers, they are very good. But actually oneness doesn’t mean anything to me personally. I’ve never experienced it and agree with WW that we are meant to have a seperate experience on this earth.
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Re: What does oneness mean to you?

Post by jukai » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:59 pm

Onceler wrote:I’ve never experienced it
I don't think any of us has, at least not in the fantastical way one imagines. But, I'm sure we have all (including you) experienced fleeting glimpses of it, no ? In the midst of the daily chaos, surely you've retreated into it, no ?

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Post by rodriguez_88 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:44 am

Being one without a second.

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Re: What does oneness mean to you?

Post by Onceler » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:53 pm

jukai wrote:
Onceler wrote:I’ve never experienced it
I don't think any of us has, at least not in the fantastical way one imagines. But, I'm sure we have all (including you) experienced fleeting glimpses of it, no ? In the midst of the daily chaos, surely you've retreated into it, no ?
When I was pretending to be spiritual I probably convinced myself that I did (I’m not saying that others don’t experience oneness......I just never did,despite much effort) I can certainly see patterns of oneness and how we are connected, but it’s not a felt sense. I believe it’s simply a biological fact in the same way that trees are connected by a mycillium system, atoms are responsive to each other at the sub atomic level, we feel each other’s emotional states to a certain extent, etc. Oddly, the internet may be as close to oneness and a conscious version of Jung’s ‘collective unconscious’ as we can get. It connects people all around the world, us right now, and is, to me, more amazing in its connectivity than any abstract spiritual ideal.

I think it’s interesting you use the word ‘retreat’ and not ‘expand’.....implying a sense of oneness is a response to threat?
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Re: What does oneness mean to you?

Post by jukai » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:38 pm

Onceler wrote:
jukai wrote:
Onceler wrote:I’ve never experienced it
I don't think any of us has, at least not in the fantastical way one imagines. But, I'm sure we have all (including you) experienced fleeting glimpses of it, no ? In the midst of the daily chaos, surely you've retreated into it, no ?
When I was pretending to be spiritual I probably convinced myself that I did (I’m not saying that others don’t experience oneness......I just never did,despite much effort) I can certainly see patterns of oneness and how we are connected, but it’s not a felt sense. I believe it’s simply a biological fact in the same way that trees are connected by a mycillium system, atoms are responsive to each other at the sub atomic level, we feel each other’s emotional states to a certain extent, etc. Oddly, the internet may be as close to oneness and a conscious version of Jung’s ‘collective unconscious’ as we can get. It connects people all around the world, us right now, and is, to me, more amazing in its connectivity than any abstract spiritual ideal.

I think it’s interesting you use the word ‘retreat’ and not ‘expand’.....implying a sense of oneness is a response to threat?
I think there is some confusion here, because I associated oneness with an inner state - feeling "whole" (akin to presence, opposite of feeling conflicted), while the rest of you on this thread associated it with its usual meaning - connectedness to others. So, we were talking apples and oranges.

So, for this discussion, I'm going to now assume oneness means connectedness, i.e. I'm going to use your definition, not mine.

Yes, I don't think I've ever experienced oneness, and yes, I agree that it seems like nothing more than a fancy ideal. We are born in this human form, and everything about the human form (or any form, for that matter) screams separateness. And, it is not really a harmful notion, like Eckhart and a lot of spirituality makes it out to be. Separateness is entirely harmless when ones identity is recognized as not being tied entirely to form. There is nothing wrong with having "others" when others are not seen as just enemies or a means to an end. There is nothing bad about it. We don't need to feel oneness to be at peace and in harmony with others, in my opinion.

Going back to my definition, it is absolutely possible to feel whole, and I've felt more than just fleeting glimpses of it, as I'm sure all of us have. So, when I used the word "retreat", I meant that that feeling/state is like a sanctuary that we can find refuge in, when the madness of the world becomes too much.

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Re: What does oneness mean to you?

Post by Onceler » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:59 pm

Cool. I see what you’re saying. Obviously I don’t know what oneness means, I should have said that rather than saying I haven’t experienced it. I do feel whole sometimes, actually quite often.
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